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[Ashton]

I don't actually know much at all about tarot, but I came across these recently and found them intriguing. As if almost suggestive of quadra archetypes and illustrating the fundamental character of their progression in life. Obviously you can't read into it literally… but I think if you look, you'll find there's oddly something to it.

For all suits: King = EJ, Queen = IJ, Knight = EP, Page = IP.

α = Wands, β = Pentacles, γ = Swords, δ = Cups. Where each sequence of that suit can be read more or less as a linear evolution of major qualitative attitudes, ideas, themes, and events typifying that quadra. I'll hold off on my own commentary for now because I want to see what others think. Unless it doesn't make sense to anybody, then maybe I'll try to explain.

Edit: Nevermind. Image links keep breaking on me and there's no way I'm manually copy/pasting them all. Just look here instead.

[typhon]

Wands are associated with fire. Why associate alpha with fire and beta with earth? Why not the other way around? As far as gamma and water goes makes sense, so does delta and air.

[Galen]

Knight of Cups description on Wikipedia said:

If the card is upright, it represents change and new excitements, particularly of a romantic nature. It can mean invitations, opportunities, and offers. The Knight of Cups is a person who is a bringer of ideas, opportunities and offers. He is constantly bored, and in constant need of stimulation, but also artistic and refined. He represents a person who is amiable, intelligent, and full of high principles, but a dreamer who can be easily persuaded or discouraged.

Reversed, the card represents unreliability and recklessness. It indicates fraud, false promises and trickery. It represents a person who has trouble discerning when and where the truth ends and lies begin.

I'm sure this is more coincidental than not, but that sounds a tad like the common ENXp type descriptions, lol

I would probably think the tarot suits would be more related to club than quadra. I'll think more about it.

[Ashton]

typhon, on 10 March 2011 - 10:27 AM, said:

Wands are associated with fire. Why associate alpha with fire and beta with earth? Why not the other way around? As far as gamma and water goes makes sense, so does delta and air.

Yeah, I'm aware of the typical element correlations Socionists suggest. I was just going off the illustrations.

What caught my eye about them in the 1st place, was they seemed to illustrate various sequences in the quadra cycle of downfall and resurrection from the abyss (if you have no idea what I'm referring to, read this).

If you look at the scenes in what I labeled as α, overall it's relatively light, youthful, not a lot of suffering or imposing boundaries, and people are free to create and enjoy themselves. Then in β a 'darker' conspiratorial undertone seems to emerge, followed by a plunge into strife, pain, and darkness… though it ends on a somewhat optimistic note. In γ the scenes appear somber, tensely alert, and restrained, as if vigilantly preparing, rebuilding, and watching the horizon for something. Finally, in Delta the mood has settled towards one of mature peace, prosperity, and abundance where people are now comfortably distanced from the previous tribulations; yet there looks to be an estranging downtown halfway through if you look closely.

Galen, on 10 March 2011 - 12:25 PM, said:

I'm sure this is more coincidental than not, but that sounds a tad like the common ENXp type descriptions, lol

I would probably think the tarot suits would be more related to club than quadra. I'll think more about it.

Oh, I didn't know they had descriptions for each lol. Here's King of Swords:

The king of swords card from the minor arcana is often used to depict a mature man with sound intellectual understanding and reasoning. This card depicts a man who is strong-hearted, decisive, and intellectually oriented.

The king of swords can also depict a man who is ruthless or excessively judgemental; the querent is therefore advised to balance his intellectual orientation with a bit of emotional understanding.

[poli]

Ms. Sant, drinkin out of cups.

I would say I'm the page of cups out of these 16. The INFj one sounds like a dead lady. (edit: did I read the wrong one earlier? okay maybe that also sounds like me)

I love how swords is associated with both reason and fighting.

[typhon]

Ashton, on 10 March 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

typhon, on 10 March 2011 - 10:27 AM, said:

Wands are associated with fire. Why associate alpha with fire and beta with earth? Why not the other way around? As far as gamma and water goes makes sense, so does delta and air.

Yeah, I'm aware of the typical element correlations Socionists suggest. I was just going off the illustrations.

What caught my eye about them in the 1st place, was they seemed to illustrate various sequences in the quadra cycle of downfall and resurrection from the abyss (if you have no idea what I'm referring to, read this).

If you look at the scenes in what I labeled as α, overall it's relatively light, youthful, not a lot of suffering or imposing boundaries, and people are free to create and enjoy themselves. Then in β a 'darker' conspiratorial undertone seems to emerge, followed by a plunge into strife, pain, and darkness… though it ends on a somewhat optimistic note. In γ the scenes appear somber, tensely alert, and restrained, as if vigilantly preparing, rebuilding, and watching the horizon for something. Finally, in Delta the mood has settled towards one of mature peace, prosperity, and abundance where people are now comfortably distanced from the previous tribulations; yet there looks to be an estranging downtown halfway through if you look closely.

If you define the abyss as "Satan's disco" as Dolphin did it makes sense to me that fire could be associated with β. Also from my point of view because betas have the most combative spirit, fire makes sense. I would assocciate with (α) with air as they like to have their head most in the clouds, (γ) with water as they value both Ni and Fi; making them more sensitive and subtle, (δ) with earth as they value a stable environment.

so I would say:

α: swords
β: wands
γ: cups
δ: pentacles

[EyeSeeCold]

poli, on 10 March 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

Ms. Sant, drinkin out of cups.

Little kid in the background goin fuckin karaaazaaayyy

[pete]

This is great Ashton. I like to dabble in tarot from time to time. I found some stuff about the subject http://www.villareva.../gebelin_1.html

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He also asserted that the four suits symbolized social groups. He wrote that Swords represented the sovereign, nobility, and military; Cups, the clergy or priesthood; Batons (later called Wands), those concerned with agriculture; and Coins (later called Pentacles), the merchant class.

What could that correspond to?