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[Ajax]

I having been thinking of Glenn Beck a lot lately . I find him very difficult to tolerate to the point where I cannot force myself to listen to him for thirty seconds even though I want to know what is upsetting him so much, he seems to always be ranting aggressively and I get the feeling he is going to leap out of his chair and kill the world any day now. I cannot really understand his arguments, they make no [logical] sense to me and I suspect an absence of Ti.

I thought he must be some kind of ESTj but I see that Ashton has him in the gallery as an ENFj and in fairness, ESTjs appear to be calm more often than Beck does to me. If this man turns out to be an ENFj then I cannot be one, it is that simple in my mind. I certainly do not agree with Hitler who must be the worst and most nonsensical of the ENFjs (if he is that) but at least I can see that what he was going on about and I can generally put up with other fox news people like Bill O'Reilly. Most of the other ENFjs in the gallery seem correctly type to me or are at least betas.

Is there any other type Beck might be apart from ENFj or even ESTj?

[borderline]

this guy annoys the hell out of me too. whether i disagree with him or not, i just cannot listen to him. it's probably not type-related though because i'm pretty sure everyone hates glenn beck lol


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[Riddy]

I am the same type as Michael Moore. He annoys the shit out of me, and I find his reasoning entirely suspect.
Don't get me started on all the Ti-ENTps I don't like either.



Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they're not the same type as you.

Beck is Fe-ENFj

[Ajax]

J Riddy‚ cuz, on 22 November 2009 - 07:56 PM, said:

I am the same type as Michael Moore. He annoys the shit out of me, and I find his reasoning entirely suspect.
Don't get me started on all the Ti-ENTps I don't like either.



Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they're not the same type as you.

Beck is Fe-ENFj

I get what you are saying and it might be that I was not clear in what I was trying to say. There are a few ENFjs in that gallery whose general behavior/personality are not to my liking and there certainly are ENFjs in real life who annoy me highly but at least I can see how they are similar to me (in function use) and I "get" them as people even if I do not like them personally. I actually think the typing of people on the socionics forums suck as badly as they do because some people do not want to accept people who they dislike or do not directly identfiy with personally into their quadras and I would not want to be a part of that practice myself.

It is not just that I do not like or understand Beck's behavior alone it is more that I suspect that he is using some combination of functions which I do not have good access to and find difficult to tolerate/absorb and therefore they could not be the same functions I use predominately hence we are not the same type. I am sure you are at least able to make reasonable sense of the communication of the ENTps that you do not like and you can clearly see the use of their Ne and Ti even if you do not use those functions in exactly the same way as they do depending on your individual personalities, background, etc.

[borderline]

99% of the time a beta says they hate someone, it is usually another beta ime. they generally get along with deltas, albeit superficially in an aristocratic way?

(not @ ajax, just throwing it out there)

[Ajax]

Allie, on 25 November 2009 - 08:39 PM, said:

99% of the time a beta says they hate someone, it is usually another beta ime. they generally get along with deltas, albeit superficially in an aristocratic way?

(not @ ajax, just throwing it out there)

I am almost convinced that I can only dislike/hate ISFps. I do not get along with deltas even in a superficial way, they often like me and I often like them and then it suddenly goes very wrong. I really hate to sound like a gamma here but there was (when I last visited) just a whole lot of people at the 16types who typed themselves INFps especially who are INFjs/ENFps in my opinion and these people have problems with ESTps and clearly get along with ESTjs and other deltas and yet still think they are beta. I must say though that the only non ISFp persons I "hate" is a beta for sure, one of the two is beside me now being very annoying as usual. I cannot speak about why betas would be more likely to have problems with other betas than say deltas with deltas if that is the case.

[goat]

Ajax, on 26 November 2009 - 01:00 AM, said:

I am almost convinced that I can only dislike/hate ISFps. I do not get along with deltas even in a superficial way, they often like me and I often like them and then it suddenly goes very wrong. I really hate to sound like a gamma here but there was (when I last visited) just a whole lot of people at the 16types who typed themselves INFps especially who are INFjs/ENFps in my opinion and these people have problems with ESTps and clearly get along with ESTjs and other deltas and yet still think they are beta. I must say though that the only non ISFp persons I "hate" is a beta for sure, one of the two is beside me now being very annoying as usual. I cannot speak about why betas would be more likely to have problems with other betas than say deltas with deltas if that is the case.

hah... I hope that I'm INFj in Ajaxnomics and not ISFp.

[discojoe]

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[Ashton]

discojoe, on 10 October 2010 - 02:00 PM, said:

SLI

ENFj. Everything about him screams Typical β Behavior lol.



Explain myself more later maybe (probably not).

[labzilla]

Fully agree the Beta values are obvious, but why ENFj > INFp?

NB: I used to get ISTp'ish vibes from his pics when I still had no idea what the guy was about apart from his appearance. Having seen more of him, I think what I picked up was his temperament more so than his quadra or club, though. He's generally way too sensationalistic to be any kind of delta, let alone Fe PoLR.

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[Ashton]

labzilla, on 10 October 2010 - 05:30 PM, said:

Fully agree the Beta values are obvious, but why ENFj > INFp?

Has more of an overt presence than what I'd typically anticipate from an INFp. He's something of a showman and seems to be pretty effective at it. Wish I could describe it better.

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NB: I used to get ISTp'ish vibes from his pics when I still had no idea what the guy was about apart from his appearance. Having seen more of him, I think what I picked up was his temperament more so than his quadra or club, though. He's generally way too sensationalistic to be any kind of delta, let alone Fe PoLR.

Agree entirely.

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[silverchris9]

To ape B&D's thing for a moment, the reason you all hate Glenn Beck is because he's evil, not because he's your conflictor.

[Ashton]

I don't see anything all that wrong with him tbh lol. I've watched his show here and there and he seems to be perfectly correct in the things he hypothesizes. That government is awful, corrupt, and out for itself—should not come as a surprise to anyone.

[silverchris9]

It's not his views either. It's that he is, very probably, quite spiritually unhealthy. I mean, doing nothing but complaining, especially in such a smarmy, knowledge-reducing way, has to be bad for you.

[Ashton]

Hmm. Yeah, I'm still not sure why some people seem to have such negative reactions to him. He just doesn't register upon me like that.

I wish I could write the man off as a mere loon, but unfortunately the concerns he raises aren't unrealistic and fall well within the parameters of historical precedent.

'What's coming' has happened before and blatantly obvious that we're on course for another cycle. Same shit, different names and faces—nothing new under the sun. And there's not a thing anyone can do about it. Glenn Beck and all the idealism and political activism in the world isn't going to avert this; the time for that kind of action was 10 years ago.

[Gilly]

lol I don't know much about him, but he seems pretty amiable in this video: