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[Sarah]

ISFj


Hunter S. Thompson - Se subtype


"There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. And that, I think, was the handle---that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply PREVAIL. There was no point in fighting---on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were "riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave."

"There are times, however, and this is one of them, when even being right feels wrong. What do you say, for instance, about a generation that has been taught that rain is poison and sex is death? If making love might be fatal and if a cool spring breeze on any summer afternoon can turn a crystal blue lake into a puddle of black poison right in front of your eyes, there is not much left except TV and relentless masturbation. It's a strange world. Some people get rich and others eat shit and die. Who knows? If there is in fact, a heaven and a hell, all we know for sure is that hell will be a visciously overcrowded version of Phoenix a clean well lighted place full of sunshine and bromides and fast cars where almost everybody seems vaguely happy, except those who know in their hearts what is missing... And being driven slowly and quietly into the kind of terminal craziness that comes with finally understanding that the one thing you want is not there. Missing. Back-ordered. No tengo. Vaya con dios. Grow up! Small is better. Take what you can get...."

"Myths and legends die hard in America. We love them for the extra dimension they provide, the illusion of near-infinite possibility to erase the narrow confines of most men's reality. Weird heroes and mould-breaking champions exist as living proof to those who need it that the tyranny of the rat race is not yet final."

"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

But speaking of rules, you've been arrested dozens of times in your life. Specific incidents aside, what's common to these run-ins? Where do you stand vis-a-vis the law?
"Goddammit. Yeah, I have. First, there's a huge difference between being arrested and being guilty. Second, see, the law changes and I don't. How I stand vis-a-vis the law at any given moment depends on the law. The law can change from state to state, from nation to nation, from city to city. I guess I have to go by a higher law. How's that? Yeah, I consider myself a road man for the lords of karma."

"This is the Nineties, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true."

"In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity."

"A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance."


Bob Dylan - Se subtype


"I'd come from a long ways off and had started a long ways down. But now destiny was about to manifest itself. I felt like it was looking right at me and nobody else."

"That ethereal twilight light, you know. It's the sound of the street with the sunrays, the sun shining down at a particular time, on a particular type of building. A particular type of people walking on a particular type of street. It's an outdoor sound that drifts even into open windows that you can hear. The sound of bells and distant railroad trains and arguments in apartment buildings and the clinking of silverware and knives and forks and beating with leather straps. It's all---it's all there. Just lack of a jackhammer, you know."

"I believe strongly in everyone's right to defend themselves by every means necessary . . . you are affected as a writer and a person by the culture and spirit of the times. I was tuned into it then, I'm tuned into it now. None of us are immune to the spirit of the age. It affects us whether we know it or whether we like it or not."

"Some things just come to me in dreams. But I can write a bunch of stuff down after you leave . . . about, say, the way you are dressed. I look at people as ideas. I don't look at them as people. I'm talking about general observation. Whoever I see, I look at them as an idea -- what this person represents. That's the way I see life. I see life as a utilitarian thing. Then you strip things away until you get to the core of what's Important . . . in the larger scheme of things, the government is irrelevant. Everybody, everything can be bought and sold."

"I really was never any more than what I was---a folk musician who gazed into the gray mist with tear-blinded eyes and made up songs that floated in a luminous haze. Now it had blown up in my face and was hanging over me. I wasn't a preacher performing miracles. It would have driven anybody mad."

"People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent."

"I define nothing. Not beauty, not patriotism. I take each thing as it is, without prior rules about what it should be."

"Being noticed can be a burden. Jesus got himself crucified because he got himself noticed. So I disappear a lot."

"What's money? A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do."

"I don't see myself doing anything indefinitely. I see myself fulfilling the commitments at the moment. Anything beyond that, time will have to tell."


Edward R. Murrow


"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."

"Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit."

"To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful."

"We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."

"Everyone is a prisoner of his own experiences. No one can eliminate prejudices - just recognize them."

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."

"People say conversation is a lost art; how often I have wished it were."


Johnny Depp - Se subtype


"I am doing things that are true to me. The only thing I have a problem with is being labeled."

"I am an American. I love my country and have great hopes for it. It is for this reason that I speak candidly and sometimes critically about it. I have benefited greatly from the freedom that exists in my country and for this I am eternally grateful."

"What I like does tend to be left-field. I feel somehow much more comfortable playing it. I relate more easily than I do when I run across straight roles. I hate the obvious stuff, I just don't respond to it."

"This is a rumor-filled society and if people want to site around and talk about whom I've dated, then I'd say they have a lot of spare time and should consider other topics... or masturbation."

"You use your money to buy privacy because during most of your life you aren't allowed to be normal."

"If there's any message to my work, it is ultimately that it's OK to be different, that it's good to be different, that we should question ourselves before we pass judgment on someone who looks different, behaves different, talks different, is a different color."

"There are necessary evils. Money is an important thing in terms of representing freedom in our world. And now I have a daughter to think about. It's really the first time I've thought about the future and what it could be."

"Anything I've done up till May 27th 1999 was kind of an illusion, existing without living. My daughter, the birth of my daughter, gave me life."

"The beauty, the poetry of the fear in their eyes. I didn't mind going to jail for, what, five, six hours? It was absolutely worth it."

"The only creatures that are evolved enough to convey pure love are dogs and infants."

"I'm shy, paranoid, whatever word you want to use. I hate fame. I've done everything I can to avoid it."


Dave Chappelle - Se subtype


"But there was something really serendipitous that was happening, with some kind of energy that things would ultimately just work out, sometimes better than when you plan."

"Most people don't know what it's like to stand up there and speak their mind. I have a venue to do that. I get paid to do that. It's not like I'm doing heavy lifting up there. It's not like I'm solving the world's problems. It's like I'm hanging out with a bunch of people and it's cool."

"I'm not smoking crack. I'm definitely stressed out."


David Strathairn


"Film is our literature, so we should tell stories that are apropos of our culture, in that we can learn something about ourselves."

"Always be aware of the physicality of a character, because you are in a picture, you are in a painting, you are in a choreographic sort of frame, so physicality can say as much and sometimes more than that words can."

"In this film George presents issues that are important, essential and vital, whoever you are, about constitutional rights and the bedrock of a democracy. I am drawn to those kinds of stories because they inspire me - they are responsible to a populace and responsible to man."

"After a little while, I forgot I was watching black and white film. There's something luscious about all the gradations of gray that adds so much texture to film. It's good they didn't shoot this one in color; they would have lost all those subtleties, all those layers."

"It's like a piece of music; you never lose sight of the theme. Each scene pushes off to the next like music builds and you can almost hear the next chord progression, so it has a strict structure, which is very compelling."

"Ed Murrow said that it would be a bad day for television if those who have most money control the marketplace of ideas. He said that in 1950. It's coming to pass."


Humphrey Bogart


"The only reason to have money is to tell any SOB in the world to go to hell."

"Things are never so bad they can't be made worse."

"The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind."

"The only thing you owe the public is a good performance."

"People who don't drink are afraid of revealing themselves."

"A hot dog at the ball park is better than steak at the Ritz."


Barack Obama - Fi subtype


"That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles. That we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door. That we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe or hiring somebody's son. That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will be counted -- or at least, most of the time."

"America is a land of big dreamers and big hopes. It is this hope that has sustained us through revolution and civil war, depression and world war, a struggle for civil and social rights and the brink of nuclear crisis. And it is because our dreamers dreamed that we have emerged from each challenge more united, more prosperous, and more admired than before."

"In the history of these struggles, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; rather, it was an active, palpable agent in the world."

"What Washington needs is adult supervision."

"We need to internalize this idea of excellence. Not many folks spend a lot of time trying to be excellent."

"If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress."


James Dean


"An actor must interpret life, and in order to do so must be willing to accept all the experiences life has to offer. In fact, he must seek out more of life than life puts at his feet."

"Being an actor is the loneliest thing in the world. You are all alone with your concentration and imagination, and that's all you have."

"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today."

"To me, acting is the most logical way for people's neuroses to manifest themselves, in this great need we all have to express ourselves."

"To grasp the full significance of life is the actor's duty; to interpret it his problem; and to express it his dedication."

"I also became close to nature, and am now able to appreciate the beauty with which this world is endowed."

"Only the gentle are truly strong."

"The gratification comes in the doing, not in the results."


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[Ashton]

ENTj


T. E. Lawrence - Ni subtype


"All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. This I did."

"...This is an idiot letter, and amounts to nothing except a cry for further change, which is idiocy, for I change my abode every day, my job every two days and my language every three days, and still remain always unsatisfied. I hate being in front. I hate being in back and I don't like responsibility, and I don't obey orders."

"Some of the evil of my tale may have been inherent in our circumstances. For years we lived anyhow with one another in the naked desert, under the indifferent heaven. By day the hot sun fermented us; and we were dizzied by the beating wind. At night we were stained by dew, and shamed into pettiness by the innumerable silences of stars. We were a self−centred army without parade or gesture, devoted to freedom, the second of man's creeds, a purpose so ravenous that it devoured all our strength, a hope so transcendent that our earlier ambitions faded in its glare."


Gen. George S. Patton - Ni subtype


"A man must know his destiny… if he does not recognize it, then he is lost. By this I mean, once, twice, or at the very most, three times, fate will reach out and tap a man on the shoulder… if he has the imagination, he will turn around and fate will point out to him what fork in the road he should take, if he has the guts, he will take it."

"It lurks invisible in that vitalizing spark, intangible, yet as evident as the lightning; the 'Warrior Soul'."

"Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base."

"Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory."

"It may be of interest to future generals to realize that one makes plans to fit the circumstances, and does not try to create circumstances to fit plans."

"Despite the oceans of ink and years of thought which have been devoted to the elucidation of war, it's secrets still remain shrouded in mystery. Indeed, it is due largely to the very volume of available information that the veil is so thick. War is an art and as such it is not susceptible to explanation by fixed formulae. Yet, from the earliest time there has been an unending effort to subject it's complex and emotional structure to dissection, to enunciate rules for it's waging, to make tangible it's intangibility. One might as well attempt to isolate the soul by the dissection of a cadaver as to seek the essence of war by the analysis of it's records."

"Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity."

"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week."

"Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack."

"Speaking in general, I find that moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men. Much of our trouble is directly attributable to the fear of 'they'."

"Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets."

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking."

"When a man gets married, he must be just as careful to keep his wife's love as he was to get it. It would be very sad for both of them if he said to himself, 'Now that I have you I need not worry about losing you'. Don't do that, ever!"

"In case of doubt, ATTACK!"


Andrew Jackson - Ni subtype


"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error."

“One man with courage makes a majority.”

“As long as our government is administered for the good of the people, and is regulated by their will; as long as it secures to us the rights of persons and of property, liberty of conscience and of the press, it will be worth defending.”

"There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses."

“Peace, above all things, is to be desired, but blood must sometimes be spilled to obtain it on equable and lasting terms.”

“It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes.”

“No one need think that the world can be ruled without blood. The civil sword shall and must be red and bloody.”

“The brave man inattentive to his duty, is worth little more to his country than the coward who deserts in the hour of danger.”

“Take time to deliberate; but when the time for action arrives, stop thinking and go in.”

“There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is having lots to do and not doing it.”

“Heaven will be no heaven to me if I do not meet my wife there.”


Larry Page - Te subtype


"If you have a product that's really gaining a lot of usage, then it's probably a good idea.”

"You don't need to have a 100-person company to develop that idea."

"We don't have as many managers as we should, but we would rather have too few than too many."

"Basically, our goal is to organize the world's information and to make it universally accessible and useful."

"The increasing volume of information is just more opportunity to build better answers to questions. The more information you have, the better."


Ryan Phillipe - Ni subtype


"I have changed the perceptive of myself as an actor in the past three years and I did it calculatively and it worked because most people in our business are sheep and they will follow what they see."

"The point is to expand the scope of what a movie can possibly mean or be, to get people involved because they're artistic or understand the point of the material, not just because they fit a certain bill aesthetically."

"I want to make movies that people talk about when they leave the theater, that aren't clear-cut, but effective and fulfilling in some sense."

"I'm drawn to things that make me feel like I'm taking a risk, that scare me, or make me worry about the way that my mom's going to react. It's like some thrill-seeking thing."

"There are a lot of good stories out there, but I haven't found too many great scripts."

"The idea of doing something that you've seen a thousand times before doesn't appeal to me."

"People often say that even if you're playing a character who's not redemptive, you have to like the character, which I disagree."


Denzel Washington - Te subtype


"He is Rubin Hurricane Carter, so the Hurricane part of him I came to know in myself through the boxing training. I found out that I liked to fight, didn't mind inflicting pain, didn't want to get hurt, but I had it in me."

"You have to grab moments when they happen. I like to improvise and ad lib."

"I don't want to say I don't care, but I don't know what people are going to think and I don't do it for what I think they're going to think."

"I don't concern myself with award. I'd been to the party enough times to know it really didn't matter."

"I'd be more frightened by not using whatever abilities I'd been given. I'd be more frightened by procrastination and laziness."

"If you have an enemy, then learn and know your enemy, don't just be mad at him or her."

"People don't come over to the house. My wife socializes, not me. I don't have a lot of friends."

"Acting is just a way of making a living, the family is life."

"I'm an actor. It's not that deep."


Sacha Baron Cohen - Te subtype



Scipio Africanus



Julius Caesar

[Sarah]

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I just wanted to see them all together.

[Ashton]

INTp


Niels Bohr - Te subtype


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."

"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think."

"Truth and clarity are complementary."

"No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical." (To Einstein)

"How wonderful that we have met with a paradox. Now we have some hope of making progress!"

"Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question."

"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true."

"If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't understood it yet."

"Isolated material particles are abstractions, their properties being definable and observable only through their interaction with other systems."

"When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry. The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with describing facts as with creating images.
It is wrong to think that the task of physics is to find out how Nature is. Physics concerns what we say about Nature."

"For a parallel to the lesson of atomic theory regarding the limited applicability of such customary idealisations, we must in fact turn to quite other branches of science, such as psychology, or even to that kind of epistemological problems with which already thinkers like Buddha and Lao Tsu have been confronted, when trying to harmonize our position as spectators and actors in the great drama of existence."

"Every valuable human being must be a radical and a rebel, for what he must aim at is to make things better than they are."


Isaac Newton - Te subtype


"I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me."

"I keep the subject of my inquiry constantly before me, and wait till the first dawning opens gradually, by little and little, into a full and clear light."

"If I have ever made any valuable discoveries, it has been owing more to patient attention, than to any other talent."

"A man may imagine things that are false, but he can only understand things that are true, for if the things be false, the apprehension of them is not understanding."


Sergey Brin - Te subtype


"I didn't think I would come to this conclusion -- but eventually I came to the conclusion that more information is better, even if it is not as full as we would like to see.”

"We are very up-front about it. That’s an important principle of ours."


Isaiah Washington - Te subtype


"Race will fall away if you show the humanity of people."

"You don't have the time to 'make the time' to do anything. You have to do it now!"


Johann Wolfgang Goethe - Ni subtype


"This is the highest wisdom that I own; freedom and life are earned by those alone who conquer them each day anew."
"Precaution is better than cure."
"Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do."
"One always has time enough, if one will apply it well."
"Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it."
"We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe."

"There is nothing in the world more shameful than establishing one's self on lies and fables."
"The right man is the one who seizes the moment."
"The man with insight enough to admit his limitations comes nearest to perfection."
"The intelligent man finds almost everything ridiculous, the sensible man hardly anything."
"The best government is that which teaches us to govern ourselves."
"Science arose from poetry... when times change the two can meet again on a higher level as friends."

"Plunge boldly into the thick of life, and seize it where you will, it is always interesting."
"Live dangerously and you live right."
"Every person above the ordinary has a certain mission that they are called to fulfill."
"One can be instructed in society, one is inspired only in solitude."
"Nothing is worth more than this day."
"Magic is believing in yourself, if you can do that, you can make anything happen."

"None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free."
"There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity."
"Men show their character in nothing more clearly than what they think laughable."
"Many people take no care of their money till they come nearly to the end of it, and others do just the same with their time."
"Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is."
"Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean."

"He who is plenteously provided for from within, needs but little from without."
"He who has a task to perform must know how to take sides, or he is quite unworthy of it."
"I call architecture frozen music."
"He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."
"He is dead in this world who has no belief in another."
"Few people have the imagination for reality."

"For a man to achieve all that is demanded of him he must regard himself as greater than he is."
"Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men."
"Deeply earnest and thoughtful people stand on shaky footing with the public."
"Destiny grants us our wishes, but in its own way, in order to give us something beyond our wishes."
"Beauty is a manifestation of secret natural laws, which otherwise would have been hidden from us forever."
"All things are only transitory."

Gary Sheffield - Ni subtype


“I don't want anybody to take my kindness as a weakness. Like I said before, this is where I want to be, but don't test me. It never was a done deal. It was a possibility. I'm happy about that. But there's two sides to that. On one side, I trust you, but don't play me. I don't care who it is, if it's the Boss, if it's him, don't play me. There are plenty of other teams out there that want my services ... that's the bottom line.”

"A lot of people always talk about players not honoring their contracts, the loyalty factor, but when the organization isn’t loyal and they’re not that way, they don’t have anything to say. What I said proved true. I said I would produce and I did that. I leave that for the people to judge."

“Even if it's on paper, it's still in my hands. Trust me on that. I know how to get out of anything I want to get out of. Trust me.”

"I press myself a lot, and that’s why I draw a lot of injuries. I play to be competitive, and I play aggressively."

“I'm sure everybody in a family has a person in their family that has a problem ? drug related or whatever. He happens to be the one. It's just one of those things where when he hurts, I hurt.”

"I just want to live a normal life, the way I did before I played professional baseball, before people knew who I was."

“I'll be fine tomorrow. It's just that I'm venting.”

[Sarah]

ESFp


Russell Crowe - Se subtype


"I don't make demands. I don't tell you how it should be. I'll give you options, and it's up to you to select or throw 'em away. That should be the headline: If you're insecure, don't call."

"I'm an intense bastard when I'm doing my job. I don't suffer fools and I don't wanna f**k around. I want you to be ready and prepared. Let's go, man. If you come to that set and you don't know your lines, what the f**k have you been doing? You don't deserve the job."

“Perhaps it is good to have a beautiful mind, but an even greater gift is to discover a beautiful heart.”

“I like villains because there's something so attractive about a committed person -- they have a plan, an ideology, no matter how twisted. They're motivated.”

“The important thing to me is that I'm not driven by people's praise and I'm not slowed down by people's criticism. I'm just trying to work at the highest level I can.”

“I do my bit to improve the world, but I think it's very important to get things done on the quiet, ... I'm sick to death of famous people standing up and using their celebrity to promote a cause.”

"I'm not one of those fellows that is just going to have a psuedo-middling relationship."

“Meg Ryan is a beautiful and courageous woman. I grieve the loss of her companionship but I've not lost the friendship. We talk all the time and that was what our connection was about. She has a wonderful mind and we just like a chat.”

“I liked everything I read about Braddock, ... I liked who he was before he was a champion, who he was when he was a champion and who he was afterwards, too. I liked the fact that his otherwise very simple life had this incredible zeitgeist flair in the middle of it and afterwards he just kept working, bringing up his children and loving his wife. For me, it's the story of how one family survived the Deprression. Braddock died in 1974 in the same house that he had bought in 1935 with his winnings from the world championship and where he had seen his kids grow up and his grandchildren born.”


Mickey Rourke - Se subtype


"If you don't make movies that make a lot of money, then it's very hard for you to continue to do the work that you want to do."

"I didn't really cultivate a relationship with people in the business. Maybe I should've-or could've tried to. I feel like I'm playing the game now, and it hurts a little bit. But I realize if I want to work at all, I've got to."

"I had some things I had to fix. It took me 14 years to do it. But it was never really fun back in the day to work with directors who were a lot older and were like authoritarian and talking to you like that."

"I trained like an animal, but the thing is focus and concentration. When the bell rings it's like when the little red light goes on over the camera. And I can usually nail my lines on the first or second take because I'm right there."

"It was the most fun I've ever had on a movie. It was one of the happiest times in my life. I was living in New York, and I really enjoyed acting at the time. Also, it's funny because that was also the time when I went downhill."


Steve Irwin - Se subtype


"I believe that education is all about being excited about something. Seeing passion and enthusiasm helps push an educational message."

"If there's one thing I, Steve Irwin, would want to be remembered for it's passion and enthusiam. Conservation is my job, my life, my whole persona."

"When I talk to the camera, mate, it's not like I'm talking to the camera, I'm talking to you because I want to whip you around and plunk you right there with me."

"I have no fear of losing my life - if I have to save a koala or a crocodile or a kangaroo or a snake, mate, I will save it."

"My dad taught me from my youngest childhood memories through these connections with Aboriginal and tribal people that you must always protect people's sacred status, regardless of the pest."

"I'm high as a kite, mate. I'm flat out like a lizard drinking, all the time. You know I have trouble just sitting here. You know, I'm just like, got to get up."

"I get called an adrenaline junkie every other minute, and I'm just fine with that."

"Where I live if someone gives you a hug it's from the heart."


Will Smith - Fi subtype


"...I truly, honestly believe that if I chose to be the President of the United States, I could. You know, there's this wonderful delusional quality that I have that, I think, most successful people have to have. You have to believe in the impossible."

"My father always said, "No plan B. It distracts from plan A." Life is lived on the edge. You definitely gotta have the balls for it. We were raised with the concept of trying to save money, and I'm telling you, no, spend every dime on whatever your dream is. Don't have a dime in the bank. Whatever your dream is, every extra penny you have needs to be going to that."

"I know how to learn anything I want to learn. I absolutely know that I could learn how to fly the space shuttle because someone else knows how to fly it, and they put it in a book. Give me the book, and I do not need somebody to stand up in front of the class."

"I consider myself to be of basically average talent, right? What I have that other people do not have is a sick, obsessive, raw animal drive."

"I don't even know what it is, but I just know that there is influence that I can have, and I want to find a direction."

"I don't concern myself with people spying because the energy I put into the universe will find a good balance and deliver me from that kind of evil. You gotta surf the wave of the Tao."

"My introduction to spirituality was through my grandmother and she's always been a very calm, peaceful, centered woman that was something that I admired and aspired to. I've created my own concept that differed from my grandmother's but it's a concept of the basic elements of treating people nice and the metaphysics of karma; if you do something good then something good will happen to you. If you do something bad, probably something bad is gonna happen. There's certain rules of the universe that intuitively I always felt really in tune with. "

"It's like being animated by the love of a woman -- the need to be worthy of her. That's the spot Jada holds in my life. I have to be better, stronger for her. It makes me excel."

"I really believe that a man and a woman together, raising a family, is the purest form of happiness we can experience."

"Jada and I have problems; everybody has problems. People ask, "What happens if you made a mistake?" Well, you should be a little more careful before you stand up in front of God and your family and friends and say, "Till death do us part."

"Money and success don't change people; they merely amplify what is already there."

[FDG]

It might not be the best place where to discuss it, but Patton - not sure on his typing as ENTj - because he seems to be a little too "heavy", so to speak, in the sense of taking himself too seriously, to be ENTj.

[Ashton]

FDG, on Nov 8 2006, 11:50 AM, said:

It might not be the best place where to discuss it, but Patton - not sure on his typing as ENTj - because he seems to be a little too "heavy", so to speak, in the sense of taking himself too seriously, to be ENTj.

It's a fine place to discuss it - that's kinda what the thread is here for. As far as Patton being too heavy... I think anyone in the position he was in (commander of a major military force in a world war and all) would probably take themselves quite seriously. Or so I would hope. And I think ENTjs do take themselves very seriously when they're caught up in some overriding sense of mission/purpose, as Patton himself always felt he was.

[FDG]

Ashton, on Nov 8 2006, 07:49 PM, said:

It's a fine place to discuss it - that's kinda what the thread is here for. As far as Patton being too heavy... I think anyone in the position he was in (commander of a major military force in a world war and all) would probably take themselves quite seriously. Or so I would hope.

Right, true, when you're on the battlefield, or throughout the campaing, I can completely understand the need to remain a very serious and strict personality in order for the troops not to think that you can be fooled and/or your orders disregarded. My problems with this fact are that still even in his private life he was known for unwelcoming any sort of humor adressed towards his personality, and generally for not exactly being able to take life easy. I do understand though that this might just have been caused by his permanence in the military.

Just another thing. Look at his pics and then look at the ones of the other ENTjs. You can see that there are many similarities in-between all of them, except Patton.

[Oyy]

I see a similarity in Patton and the other ENTjs. Something about the longness of face, the set jaw. Though Patton's eye's do seem harder.

[Zeia]

"Beauty is in the heart of the beholder. "
"Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. "
"I want to go ahead of Father Time with a scythe of my own. "
"If we don't end war, war will end us."
"In politics, strangely enough, the best way to play your cards is to lay them face upwards on the table. "
"The crisis of today is the joke of tomorrow. "
"The path of social advancement is, and must be, strewn with broken friendships. "
"The uglier a man's legs are, the better he plays golf - it's almost a law. "
"There comes a moment in the day when you have written your pages in the morning, attended to your correspondence in the afternoon, and have nothing further to do. Then comes that hour when you are bored; that's the time for sex. "
H.G. Wells - INTp

[Ashton]

Fabie, check out the pic I found of Patton smiling up near the top. Total ENTj smile.

Also, I think Ni-subtype ENTjs in general might appear more stern and less expressive. Both Patton and T.E. Lawrence are Ni subtypes, for example.

[Sarah]

Similar quotes

Goethe: "Precaution is better than cure."
Voltaire: "Regimen is superior to medicine."

Bohr: "...The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."
Goethe: "The unnatural, that too is natural."

Murrow: "The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer."
Goethe: "The hardest thing to see is what is in front of your eyes."

Bohr: "There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them."
Goethe: "The intelligent man finds almost everything ridiculous, the sensible man hardly anything."

Bohr: "Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question."
Voltaire: "Judge of a man by his questions rather than by his answers."

Goethe: "Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is."
Voltaire: "Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."

Goethe: "What is not started today is never finished tomorrow."
Patton: "A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week."
Washington: "You don't have the time to 'make the time' to do anything. You have to do it now!"

[FDG]

Nooo Voltaire was NOT an introvert!! ESFp would be my guess.

[Sarah]

K, I've removed Voltaire. He does seem gamma, so I'll leave him in the similar quotes section for now.

[FDG]

Uh, was Marienne Faithfull a problem as ISFj???? I have no doubt about her type. Why did you remove her? :S

[Ashton]

FDG, on Nov 10 2006, 05:42 AM, said:

Uh, was Marienne Faithfull a problem as ISFj???? I have no doubt about her type. Why did you remove her? :S

We're trying to organize all the ISFjs we have down in a really comprehensive way, and the post isn't ready for primetime yet. You'll see what I mean when it's done. If you'd like, you can put her in a separate post. Personally she looks ESFj to me though, so I don't know if she quite belongs. But if you insist...

[FDG]

No, she's not ESFj; well, we could just place her in the main post. Still, you could have said that it was private and not readily editable, because erasing that way is plain rude.

[Ashton]

FDG, on Nov 10 2006, 06:03 AM, said:

No, she's not ESFj; well, we could just place her in the main post. Still, you could have said that it was private and not readily editable, because erasing that way is plain rude.

Well, it was rude of you to edit someone else's post in the 1st place. What would make you think that it was publicly editable even if it wasn't set to private?

[Capitalist Pig]

i love all of you :love:

[FDG]

Ashton, on Nov 10 2006, 01:15 PM, said:

Well, it was rude of you to edit someone else's post in the 1st place. What would make you think that it was publicly editable even if it wasn't set to private?

The simple fact that it was ONLY said "placeholder" and there was NO rule stated, something like "we'll update later, let's keep it free", which would have sufficed. Thinking of doing something good only to see your contribution erased isn't exactly the best thing on earth, but whatever. Also, I edited an EMPTY post, not an opinion of hers. That's pretty different from what you want to make it sound.

[Sarah]

Fabio, thanks for the contributions. I would prefer it if everyone made their own posts though---I don't want typings that I haven't made myself to be attributed to me. I think it will work best if everyone contributes and discusses typings in new posts, and then if there's some kind of consensus they could be combined into one post.

[FDG]

Ok, np. Maybe you can gather them all toghether organized in the first post, when you judge okay to do so.

[Sarah]

Sounds good. Let's start discussing then

What thoughts/impressions pointed you to ESFp for Voltaire? Do you think that it's fairly definite that he's Gamma? Gamma extrovert sounds like a good call to me. I just read some random stuff about his life, and I'm wondering how likely ENTj could be as well. (If anyone has any non-gamma suggestions for his type, those would be interesting to discuss too.)

[FDG]

Sarah, on Nov 10 2006, 03:09 PM, said:

Sounds good. Let's start discussing then

What thoughts/impressions pointed you to ESFp for Voltaire? Do you think that it's fairly definite that he's Gamma? Gamma extrovert sounds like a good call to me. I just read some random stuff about his life, and I'm wondering how likely ENTj could be as well. (If anyone has any non-gamma suggestions for his type, those would be interesting to discuss too.)

Yes, ENTj was my second choice. MBTI-ers tend to type him as ENTP, but he's clearly not a socionics ENTp. After reading about him once more - he used to be one of my favourites during high-school but then I forgot about it - ENTj seems to be more likely than ESFp!

[Capitalist Pig]

FDG, on Nov 10 2006, 09:20 AM, said:

Yes, ENTj was my second choice. MBTI-ers tend to type him as ENTP, but he's clearly not a socionics ENTp. After reading about him once more - he used to be one of my favourites during high-school but then I forgot about it - ENTj seems to be more likely than ESFp!

:love:

[FDG]

cogsci, on Nov 10 2006, 08:44 PM, said:

:love:

You're adapting your lexicon to your new type?

[Oyy]

It's a slow transformation, but he's getting there

[Capitalist Pig]

[Sarah]

ISFjs and ESFps have been added to the first page.

[Gilligan]

Dave Chapelle is ENTp. Intuitive subtype, even. Anyone who would contest this is quite simply dumb. He's basically the stereotype. The only other possible type is ENFp.
Johnny Depp is pretty obviously INFp.
James Dean and Hunter S Thompson were ENFj.
Bob Dylan was INFj.
Obama looks more intuitive.
Caesar was ESFp. The stereotype, even.
Steve Irwin is Alpha SF, probably ISFp.
Will Smith is ENFp.
H.G. Wells was ENTp.



And none of your expressions match. The poses do, but not the expressions. This is why you have PoLR

That is all.

[Gilligan]

Ashton, if you feel like disputing my typings, then do it here so I can filter out all of your shockingly infantile and incoherent ad hominem bullshit.

[Sarah]

Thanks for your input, Gilly. But the typings stand. Feel free to do some research and type something up if you'd like to discuss it further.

[FDG]

IMHO, some of them are wrong - not many, though.

Mickey Rourke is most likely an ENFj, I do not know which subtype. I cannot back this up except with the fact that he looks extremely like an ENFj guy that I know. Refer also to "JuJu" on "the16types", the expression on the face is clearly analoguos.

Russel Crowe is probably an ESTj of some kind. Notice how most of the referenced quotes are centered around his profession - work - etc. Weak argument, I must admit, although I think it should be taken into consideration.

I agree with Will Smith being ESFp over ENFp. I've always seen him as an ESFp, especially his role in "The Fresh Prince".

Hunter S. Thomson is clearly not an ISFj. Fist of all, he's an Ennagram 7, which is not compatible with the ISFj type. ENxj would be my best assesment. Also, look at his life story. I am not saying that an ISFj cannot live like that, obviously, but since in the highest majority of cases security is a very important drive in their lives, and since the cases here represented are - I think - considered quintessential, such a controversial typing isn't exactly admittable.

[Ashton]

Edward R. Murrow said:

A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

[FDG]

?? Instead of cooperatevely replying, you prefer to just disparage. I don't know really.

[Sarah]

Hunter S. Thompson really just wanted people to leave him alone. That is what's at the core of everything for him (and for all of gamma really). That is freedom, that is the American Dream. If anyone came on his property he'd shoot at them with his myriad of guns and whatever other explosive devices were lying around the house. Which is a pretty strong penchant for security. (With ISFjs, I think it's important to separate security from stability. They want security, but not stability. Stability is more of an Si Alpha/Delta thing.)

Have you read any of his books btw? Not the popularized stuff adopted by frat boys the world over who just want to party and glorify drugs, (though that stuff actually has everything in it if you really read it), but some of his more serious writings. They reveal a lot of his character, which is actually much different and more complex than the stereotypes he's portrayed as in the media. He was also quite paranoid in a ISFj way. I'll try to find some relevant passages from his writings when I have time.

What do you think about Hunter perhaps being counterphobic 6w7?

[Sarah]

Btw, sorry I haven't replied about Voltaire yet. I'm still reading more about him. I definitely agree on ENxj---the weird thing is, the more I read, the more he sounds ENFj to me. Do you think it's a possibility? There's just some particular quality to his writing and humor that seems common to all ENFjs. I don't know quite how to describe it, but Jadae has it, and ENFjs I've known all have it too.

[Gilligan]

God, y'all are worse than Joy these days. Talk about not valuing Ne...

Bye.

[Haze]

I don't think Hunter S. Thompson, Bob Dylan, and Johnny Depp are all ISFj. Well I don't know really, but it doesn't really seem likely that they're ISFj.

[implied]

i suggested faithfull because she does seem sort of "tough" (like not a pushover) in an ISFj way, like maybe christopher hitchens comes off. i agree, though, on v.i., she could be debatably any SF.