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[hoodrat]

http://socionics.us/...mitations.shtml

This is one of my favorite socionics articles.  Do you agree with it?  Disagree? Have stuff to add?

Especially underestimated is the effect of integral types on a person's behavior, in my opinion.

[tcaudilllg]

Really? Explain how your own behavior is shaped by integral type.

[hoodrat]

for example..... a gamma could live in a household that had Alpha authority.  There could be a rule imposed on the household members that "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all."  This goes against the natural tendencies of gamma, which value Se blocked with Fi, which is related to the discussion of topics of relationships that may be "harsh" or "unpleasant."

That's just a small example, but when you have many such influences on a person's life that they feel powerless to overcome, or don't have an outlet where their "true" values are appreciated, it can have a large impact on their behavior.  They start to think secretly to themselves "i'm crazy" or "something's wrong with me deep down" and are afraid to reveal their true inner self, even in the presence of types who would accept such behavior.

[Ashton]

hoodrat, on Jan 30 2009, 05:40 PM, said:

for example..... a gamma could live in a household that had Alpha authority.  There could be a rule imposed on the household members that "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all."  This goes against the natural tendencies of gamma, which value Se blocked with Fi, which is related to the discussion of topics of relationships that may be "harsh" or "unpleasant."

That's just a small example, but when you have many such influences on a person's life that they feel powerless to overcome, or don't have an outlet where their "true" values are appreciated, it can have a large impact on their behavior.  They start to think secretly to themselves "i'm crazy" or "something's wrong with me deep down" and are afraid to reveal their true inner self, even in the presence of types who would accept such behavior.

The influences present during one's upbringing - family, religion, school, community, or what have you - can have a significant effect on a person's values, their self-perception, and their outward behaviors.  But I've found that as a person transitions into adulthood, these influences begin to fall off in most people, and the individual more or less begins to become their natural self.  Environmental influences on personality development are largely overrated, IMO.  Most people become who they inherently always have been, regardless.

People do act out of character under stress/neurosis in ways that can seem contradictory to the normal, healthy patterns of their type.  Though even under these conditions, a person's type can be made apparent provided you have sufficient amounts of the right kinds of observation.  Because there are predictable patterns to the ways that types act when unhealthy - so if you understand what these patterns are, even that should be an indicator in and of itself of a person's type.

[hoodrat]

Ashton, on Jan 31 2009, 12:26 PM, said:

The influences present during one's upbringing - family, religion, school, community, or what have you - can have a significant effect on a person's values, their self-perception, and their outward behaviors.  But I've found that as a person transitions into adulthood, these influences begin to fall off in most people, and the individual more or less begins to become their natural self.  Environmental influences on personality development are largely overrated, IMO.  Most people become who they inherently always have been, regardless.

I agree with this.... but I've also found that this transition into adulthood/actualization can really differ in how long it takes from person to person.  I guess this depends on integral types/supportive environments/self-analysis abilities etc...

[tcaudilllg]

It happens between the ages of 22 and 23, and is the culmination of a documented pattern of transition from adolescent to adult in the brain. We know from MRIs that a transition takes place, and looking at the evidence the only observable significance of it is a change in attitude which occurs at about that time. Hell, I experienced it myself, and my girlfriend went through it herself during the same period. And all the rest of you who have not experienced it already, will to.

[hoodrat]

I turned 22.5 2 days ago :x.   I heard that your prefrontal cortex finishes developing by age 26 or something.....  maybe that's it? lol

[crazedrat]

i've been experiencing the same thing. i'm 22.6 .. it's almost like i am 'solving' my creative illnesses. they built themselves up... and there was a certain point where they stopped building, and started solving ... now they're about as 'solved' as they ever will be; or close to it. I can see myself continuing to work on things within the scope of what I already understand, but I don't have a desire to reshape the medical profession, and I don't think I will. If I started learning about human anatomy it would be within the context of what I already understand.