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[Mr 2012]

http://socionist.blo...eading-and.html

[borderline]

Hmm.

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This suggests an intriguing hypothesis that I've entertained now for some time: the leading function is "located" completely or chiefly in the left hemisphere, and the suggestive function in the right. I would go beyond that to suggest that the mental functions (1 through 4) are all in the left hemisphere, while the vital functions ( 5-8 ) are in the right. "Right brain" creativity, then, is about having increased access to the vital functions. To some extent this can be trained. Some degree of right hemisphere work is necessary and healthy, but "highly creative" people who have "unlocked" their right hemisphere tend also to be more emotionally unstable. "Too much brain lubrication," you might say...

The mental functions are verbal, involve more conscious cognition, planning, "scheming," public discourse, etc. The vital functions are largely nonverbal and "learn through doing." Doesn't that sound like left versus right hemisphere?

Heh, I don't think this makes sense. I have to go, but I'll explain why later.

[borderline]

Okay, what I don't understand is this: I'm an ESI, so my supposed "mental ring" is , , , . How do these "involve more conscious cognition, planning, 'scheming,' public discourse. . ." ? How are , , , things I "learn through doing" ? If I practice hard enough I'll be able to master it? Also, what does he mean by this: "Some degree of right hemisphere work is necessary and healthy, but 'highly creative' people who have 'unlocked' their right hemisphere tend also to be more emotionally unstable. 'Too much brain lubrication,' you might say..."

But my main problem with this is that I don't think we can learn information elements or whatever.

[crazedrat]

Most of this is just too confused, and too boring, to get into a fuss about.
almost the entire aricle takes observations which we already know well of in reality, and assigns them to this overall hypothesis of brain regions which is independent of the observations. then the article acts like this demonstrates the validity of the hypothesis.
the article at first approaches the brain as an isolated series of regions, where in reality brain regions are highly interactive; and from a series of processes emerge a refined product of thought.

You don't learn information elements, you just tune them in or tune them out. They are already existing within the information at hand; you just have to look at that information differently. From there, you will lead yourself in different paths. It has nothing to do with learning new pieces of data. At best, the data will give off the illusion they are different, when they are the same

[FDG]

It does not really seem to make excessive sense. Oftentimes our Base and Creative functions are those for which we are allowed to be both more structure-oriented and more creative, since we can use them for broader scopes given our experience with them, and the natural flexibilty that comes along with it. However, I strongly agree with this part:

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What I have found is that self-realizing individuals -- people who have learned to focus the use of their strong functions (especially the leading function) to produce societally useful results -- almost inevitably have habits that engage their suggestive functions and provide much needed rest from their primary activities.

Yet, going on, I find something to disagree with:

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He would go on rambles through the forest on a near-daily basis, as well as sail his small boat on nearby lakes. These activities exposed him to nature, sun, wind, and natural sounds and sensations, and provided relaxing physical movement.

Why, exactly, is this and not ? Doesn't actually everybody enjoy walks in the nature, when he-she is allowed to do so? We could equally well say that given that Einstein had enough free time to pursue his walks, he also had enough free time to thinker his grand ideas.

[tcaudilllg]

A better question would be "what did relativity have to do with Si?" He is quoted as saying that he liked sailing because "the boat follows the pathway of least resistance." Model A observations of duality are amateurish: relativity is an expression of Si which submits to the Se situation.