this one guy (3:03:18 PM): from a purely informational aspect
this one guy (3:03:31 PM): i think Ne is really just splitting things into abstract parts
this one guy (3:05:14 PM): im trying to think of a good example
Me (3:05:20 PM): k
this one guy (3:06:28 PM): like...a book
this one guy (3:06:49 PM): a book is an aggregation of ideas expressed in some format of prose
this one guy(3:06:59 PM): it is written by an author
this one guy (3:07:06 PM): it is published by a publisher
this one guy (3:07:13 PM): at a certain date
this one guy (3:07:15 PM): and time
this one guy (3:07:33 PM): there are litterally thousands of aspects and things that make up the concept "book"
this one guy(3:07:56 PM): little aspects that can be tweaked
this one guy(3:08:39 PM): or saying that a book has chapters
this one guy(3:08:45 PM): that's a logical abstract division
this one guy(3:09:07 PM): but the concept "chapter" itself
this one guy (3:09:17 PM): can be further subdivided
this one guy(3:09:33 PM): into the core ideas that make up a "chapter"
this one guy(3:09:59 PM): but those divisions are fairly meaningless
this one guy (3:10:13 PM): unless there is some way to relate them to each other
this one guy (3:10:41 PM): so the fact that a chapter could be said to interact with it's environment--that is, the rest of the book
this one guy (3:10:45 PM): that would be Si
this one guy (3:10:47 PM): the context
this one guy(3:11:19 PM): the way an abstraction relates to its environment
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Ne/Si from the mouth of an ILE
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Posted 25 October 2008 - 05:29 PM
theMime., on Oct 25 2008, 05:15 PM, said:
this one guy (3:03:18 PM): from a purely informational aspect
this one guy (3:03:31 PM): i think Ne is really just splitting things into abstract parts
this one guy (3:05:14 PM): im trying to think of a good example
Me (3:05:20 PM): k
this one guy (3:06:28 PM): like...a book
this one guy (3:06:49 PM): a book is an aggregation of ideas expressed in some format of prose
this one guy(3:06:59 PM): it is written by an author
this one guy (3:07:06 PM): it is published by a publisher
this one guy (3:07:13 PM): at a certain date
this one guy (3:07:15 PM): and time
this one guy (3:07:33 PM): there are litterally thousands of aspects and things that make up the concept "book"
this one guy(3:07:56 PM): little aspects that can be tweaked
this one guy(3:08:39 PM): or saying that a book has chapters
this one guy(3:08:45 PM): that's a logical abstract division
this one guy(3:09:07 PM): but the concept "chapter" itself
this one guy (3:09:17 PM): can be further subdivided
this one guy(3:09:33 PM): into the core ideas that make up a "chapter"
this one guy(3:09:59 PM): but those divisions are fairly meaningless
this one guy (3:10:13 PM): unless there is some way to relate them to each other
this one guy (3:10:41 PM): so the fact that a chapter could be said to interact with it's environment--that is, the rest of the book
this one guy (3:10:45 PM): that would be Si
this one guy (3:10:47 PM): the context
this one guy(3:11:19 PM): the way an abstraction relates to its environment
this one guy (3:03:31 PM): i think Ne is really just splitting things into abstract parts
this one guy (3:05:14 PM): im trying to think of a good example
Me (3:05:20 PM): k
this one guy (3:06:28 PM): like...a book
this one guy (3:06:49 PM): a book is an aggregation of ideas expressed in some format of prose
this one guy(3:06:59 PM): it is written by an author
this one guy (3:07:06 PM): it is published by a publisher
this one guy (3:07:13 PM): at a certain date
this one guy (3:07:15 PM): and time
this one guy (3:07:33 PM): there are litterally thousands of aspects and things that make up the concept "book"
this one guy(3:07:56 PM): little aspects that can be tweaked
this one guy(3:08:39 PM): or saying that a book has chapters
this one guy(3:08:45 PM): that's a logical abstract division
this one guy(3:09:07 PM): but the concept "chapter" itself
this one guy (3:09:17 PM): can be further subdivided
this one guy(3:09:33 PM): into the core ideas that make up a "chapter"
this one guy(3:09:59 PM): but those divisions are fairly meaningless
this one guy (3:10:13 PM): unless there is some way to relate them to each other
this one guy (3:10:41 PM): so the fact that a chapter could be said to interact with it's environment--that is, the rest of the book
this one guy (3:10:45 PM): that would be Si
this one guy (3:10:47 PM): the context
this one guy(3:11:19 PM): the way an abstraction relates to its environment
Who was this one guy? This is a horrible description of
and 
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BionicGoat said:
That looks like signature material.
Allie said:
You're not fat, you're...like playful, or something
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Posted 25 October 2008 - 08:34 PM
theMime., on Oct 25 2008, 11:15 PM, said:
this one guy (3:03:18 PM): from a purely informational aspect
this one guy (3:03:31 PM): i think Ne is really just splitting things into abstract parts
this one guy (3:05:14 PM): im trying to think of a good example
Me (3:05:20 PM): k
this one guy (3:06:28 PM): like...a book
this one guy (3:06:49 PM): a book is an aggregation of ideas expressed in some format of prose
this one guy(3:06:59 PM): it is written by an author
this one guy (3:07:06 PM): it is published by a publisher
this one guy (3:07:13 PM): at a certain date
this one guy (3:07:15 PM): and time
this one guy (3:07:33 PM): there are litterally thousands of aspects and things that make up the concept "book"
this one guy(3:07:56 PM): little aspects that can be tweaked
this one guy(3:08:39 PM): or saying that a book has chapters
this one guy(3:08:45 PM): that's a logical abstract division
this one guy(3:09:07 PM): but the concept "chapter" itself
this one guy (3:09:17 PM): can be further subdivided
this one guy(3:09:33 PM): into the core ideas that make up a "chapter"
this one guy(3:09:59 PM): but those divisions are fairly meaningless
this one guy (3:10:13 PM): unless there is some way to relate them to each other
this one guy (3:10:41 PM): so the fact that a chapter could be said to interact with it's environment--that is, the rest of the book
this one guy (3:10:45 PM): that would be Si
this one guy (3:10:47 PM): the context
this one guy(3:11:19 PM): the way an abstraction relates to its environment
this one guy (3:03:31 PM): i think Ne is really just splitting things into abstract parts
this one guy (3:05:14 PM): im trying to think of a good example
Me (3:05:20 PM): k
this one guy (3:06:28 PM): like...a book
this one guy (3:06:49 PM): a book is an aggregation of ideas expressed in some format of prose
this one guy(3:06:59 PM): it is written by an author
this one guy (3:07:06 PM): it is published by a publisher
this one guy (3:07:13 PM): at a certain date
this one guy (3:07:15 PM): and time
this one guy (3:07:33 PM): there are litterally thousands of aspects and things that make up the concept "book"
this one guy(3:07:56 PM): little aspects that can be tweaked
this one guy(3:08:39 PM): or saying that a book has chapters
this one guy(3:08:45 PM): that's a logical abstract division
this one guy(3:09:07 PM): but the concept "chapter" itself
this one guy (3:09:17 PM): can be further subdivided
this one guy(3:09:33 PM): into the core ideas that make up a "chapter"
this one guy(3:09:59 PM): but those divisions are fairly meaningless
this one guy (3:10:13 PM): unless there is some way to relate them to each other
this one guy (3:10:41 PM): so the fact that a chapter could be said to interact with it's environment--that is, the rest of the book
this one guy (3:10:45 PM): that would be Si
this one guy (3:10:47 PM): the context
this one guy(3:11:19 PM): the way an abstraction relates to its environment
you seemed enthralled
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Posted 27 October 2008 - 03:32 AM
Riddy, on Oct 25 2008, 07:29 PM, said:
This is a horrible description of and .
and . It is?
stop waving back, i'm drowning...
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Posted 27 October 2008 - 04:50 AM
theMime., on Oct 27 2008, 05:35 AM, said:
lol.
! But apparently it isn't, so. . . But really, who was that?
stop waving back, i'm drowning...
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Posted 27 October 2008 - 12:38 PM
Yeah, who was that? We need to know.
“Some of the evil of my tale may have been inherent in our circumstances. For years we lived anyhow with one another in the naked desert, under the indifferent heaven. By day the hot sun fermented us; and we were dizzied by the beating wind. At night we were stained by dew, and shamed into pettiness by the innumerable silences of stars. We were a self-centered army without parade or gesture, devoted to freedom, the second of man's creeds, a purpose so ravenous that it devoured all our strength, a hope so transcendent that our earlier ambitions faded in its glare.” —T.E. Lawrence
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Posted 27 October 2008 - 12:55 PM
Can I reveal who you are Mr. ENTp?
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Posted 27 October 2008 - 01:10 PM
theMime., on Oct 27 2008, 01:55 PM, said:
Can I reveal who you are Mr. ENTp?
No you can't give them my identity.
BionicGoat said:
That looks like signature material.
Allie said:
You're not fat, you're...like playful, or something
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Posted 27 October 2008 - 04:21 PM
Riddy.......FUCK
INTO THE THIRD THREAD AND I AM ALREADY CHEESED OUT
JESUS
...lol.
INTO THE THIRD THREAD AND I AM ALREADY CHEESED OUT
JESUS
...lol.
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Posted 28 October 2008 - 01:42 PM
I guess what I really want to emphasize is that Ne ideas never really exist outside of some kind of environment. I really don't think about this environment a lot, to be honest, because it is just some underlying assumption that I have when I go about my Ne ways of dividing everything I see into little chunks of abstractions.
One of the ways that Ne works "creatively" is to divide things into these pieces, and then realize that some of these pieces exist in different environments as well. Consider the example of the book. Any of the ideas that I glean from a book only have meaning insofar as they are somehow related to and interact with the greater context of the whole book. But these ideas can have other meanings in other contexts. Even when I try to get at a concept like the book's "theme", I immediately see this theme as existing in several different places, tied to all of them somehow. Essentially, a lot of my thinking revolves around some kind of "where have I seen this elsewhere?" question. I'm trying to relate these ideas across contexts so that I can distill the ideas into more primitive parts.
An Ne/Si dynamic type would likely kinda go about this in the opposite direction. I get the idea that they are more strongly aware of this "context", and that they have a more or less background grasp of the Ne node tree thing. But they seem more willing to kinda shift through different ideas and pieces until they find one that seems to work in an Si context.
I don't know if this is making any sense at all. I'm aiming at something more abstract and subtle than typical concepts of Ne as "possibilities" and Si as "comfort and harmony", so feedback would be appreciated.
One of the ways that Ne works "creatively" is to divide things into these pieces, and then realize that some of these pieces exist in different environments as well. Consider the example of the book. Any of the ideas that I glean from a book only have meaning insofar as they are somehow related to and interact with the greater context of the whole book. But these ideas can have other meanings in other contexts. Even when I try to get at a concept like the book's "theme", I immediately see this theme as existing in several different places, tied to all of them somehow. Essentially, a lot of my thinking revolves around some kind of "where have I seen this elsewhere?" question. I'm trying to relate these ideas across contexts so that I can distill the ideas into more primitive parts.
An Ne/Si dynamic type would likely kinda go about this in the opposite direction. I get the idea that they are more strongly aware of this "context", and that they have a more or less background grasp of the Ne node tree thing. But they seem more willing to kinda shift through different ideas and pieces until they find one that seems to work in an Si context.
I don't know if this is making any sense at all. I'm aiming at something more abstract and subtle than typical concepts of Ne as "possibilities" and Si as "comfort and harmony", so feedback would be appreciated.
BionicGoat said:
That looks like signature material.
Allie said:
You're not fat, you're...like playful, or something
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Posted 01 November 2008 - 05:28 PM
Is theMime here the same theMime that was on the 16types?
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Posted 01 November 2008 - 05:33 PM
Suomea, on Nov 1 2008, 07:28 PM, said:
Is theMime here the same theMime that was on the 16types?
stop waving back, i'm drowning...
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Suomea, on Nov 1 2008, 05:28 PM, said:
Is theMime here the same theMime that was on the 16types?
No. That Mime was highly empathetic, kind-hearted, intelligent, and accepting and respectful of everyone regardless of how they treated other people or their flaws. This Mime is not like that unfortunately.
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