I have very bad relations with ESTps males, I find them bitchy and bent on having power, no matter how small and stupid it is and they like having other people following them around as if they are the pied piper or something. I hate groups and I do not want anyone telling me what to do. I am pretty sure these are ESTps. Does anyone else have a pattern of having bad or not so good relations with a type in their own quadra?
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:37 PM
"Look at a day when you are supremely satisfied at the end. It's not a day when you lounge around doing nothing; it's when you've had everything to do, and you've done it".----- Margaret Thatcher
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 11:26 PM
Sure, if someone's being an ass. There are some Ti ENTps that annoy me and make me feel like I have to compete with them, and then there are others that are just cool that I get along well with.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 11:52 PM
I dunno, I often feel like certain ESTps males are "hunting" me and constantly spying on me. Then certain of them of this loud, bitchy laugh which makes me want to hit them over the head.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 11:56 PM
Ah I see.
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Steve, on Jan 10 2008, 05:56 AM, said:
Ah I see.
lol, I really wouldn't mind much if i was really interested in them but it is just horrible when they come after you when you have no interest in them and then just keep going and going until they get irritating, they often have this combination of being persistent yet oblivious. The quieter laid back ones are ok.
Everyone else in beta is perfect (well, except for the ENFj tyrant subtype)
I do know an ENTj who does not like being around a few of my ESFp friends/acquaintances also.
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Ajax, on Jan 10 2008, 06:52 PM, said:
I dunno, I often feel like certain ESTps males are "hunting" me and constantly spying on me.
In other words... MAN THAT"S HOT
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:28 AM
I don't often meet a lot of my own quadra and I think Gammas are a bit rare.
Knew a Te-ENTj female. She was fun for a bit, but then she got emotionally clingy and wanted me to date her and I didn't want to so we stopped talking. BTW, I think Te-ENTjs have weird
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Knew an Se-ESFp male. Extremely nice guy, and quite shy when he wasn't drunk. But then he'd turn into a wild man once he was liquored up which was pretty funny to be around, because of his apeshit antics which I could find pictures of on Facebook I'm sure. We never had anything to connect on though so we never really befriended eachother.
Knew a Te-ENTj female. She was fun for a bit, but then she got emotionally clingy and wanted me to date her and I didn't want to so we stopped talking. BTW, I think Te-ENTjs have weird
.Knew an Se-ESFp male. Extremely nice guy, and quite shy when he wasn't drunk. But then he'd turn into a wild man once he was liquored up which was pretty funny to be around, because of his apeshit antics which I could find pictures of on Facebook I'm sure. We never had anything to connect on though so we never really befriended eachother.
“Some of the evil of my tale may have been inherent in our circumstances. For years we lived anyhow with one another in the naked desert, under the indifferent heaven. By day the hot sun fermented us; and we were dizzied by the beating wind. At night we were stained by dew, and shamed into pettiness by the innumerable silences of stars. We were a self-centered army without parade or gesture, devoted to freedom, the second of man's creeds, a purpose so ravenous that it devoured all our strength, a hope so transcendent that our earlier ambitions faded in its glare.” —T.E. Lawrence
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yeah I was just going to write that prolly INFp girls like that thing, idk if I like it.
anyways activators are instantly attractive and like _very attractive_ so yeah they'll come after you and being ESTps they'll be persistent about it. guess telling them that you "really, really" with emphasis on "really" don't want to + doing it with a dose of repulsive Fe should work but who knows.
otherwise I find some bad flavour ISTjs unpredictable in creepy ways. ISTjs notice everything that goes around them, including what people do and have done, but just as the INFps they are "behind the scenes" kind of people so you can only sense that their calculator just made a cycle but you can't tell when it's going to get back at you. you can't just play nice around them if you have something else in mind. they'll figure it out and be ready to act anytime. and sometimes you need to do manoeuvres which aren't harmful or taxing but ISTjs are always there to notice them and THAT is irritating. I prefer I'm the only one who knows what I do.
when I'm in the company of ENFj + ESTp they both steal the show. ESTps alone usually suck out all the attention like a vacuum cleaner and then ENFjs attract all the attention to themselfs so you have to do something extraordinary to stand out; that is if you want to. good thing for some time now I'm content with enjoying only listening to other people's conversations without participating, otherwise I'd have to throw stones at those att. whores
yes, some ESTps are exactly what you described and it's horribly annoying to me. it's just the way some of them are. I know that you know but there are ESTps out there which are balanced, intelligent and laid back people who definitely know when something is worth it and don't try to get the power in all occasions and situations. they just don't care about trivial shit like that and are after their own interests. which is how basically everyone should act in general.
Ni ENFjs are very fast at figuring out your personality, they penetrate into your mind, emotions see your intentions and what you really are like, like Ashton said. Fe ENFjs do it too but not so violently and aren't quick to start terrorizing your inner self while Ni ENFjs.. well that seems to be their primary tool of action. that's probably the only beta that I really don't like being around. they try to mess with your mind too much. I don't like being on guard all the time, trying to predict and then fend off their intrusive shit. and I can't really hide my "real" self even if I'm really cautious and careful about giving away, maybe because we're mirrors and intuitively figure out each other.
I too mess with people's minds sometimes but usually in a playful, soft manner, without being intrusive at all.
I've been part of companies composed of only betas and it's like every other company.. if you don't like being in companies you'll get irritated by them.
if there is certain separation like the 2 dual pairs doing their own thing and only seeing each other for fun - that is probably the best you can get.
in general I try to keep ok relations with all of beta cause they really seem to know how to inflict emotional, physical and social damage to the max and I have enough stuff to keep me busy already to be able to afford that, so if I stumble upon a problematic beta I try to walk away without much fuss.
anyways activators are instantly attractive and like _very attractive_ so yeah they'll come after you and being ESTps they'll be persistent about it. guess telling them that you "really, really" with emphasis on "really" don't want to + doing it with a dose of repulsive Fe should work but who knows.
otherwise I find some bad flavour ISTjs unpredictable in creepy ways. ISTjs notice everything that goes around them, including what people do and have done, but just as the INFps they are "behind the scenes" kind of people so you can only sense that their calculator just made a cycle but you can't tell when it's going to get back at you. you can't just play nice around them if you have something else in mind. they'll figure it out and be ready to act anytime. and sometimes you need to do manoeuvres which aren't harmful or taxing but ISTjs are always there to notice them and THAT is irritating. I prefer I'm the only one who knows what I do.
when I'm in the company of ENFj + ESTp they both steal the show. ESTps alone usually suck out all the attention like a vacuum cleaner and then ENFjs attract all the attention to themselfs so you have to do something extraordinary to stand out; that is if you want to. good thing for some time now I'm content with enjoying only listening to other people's conversations without participating, otherwise I'd have to throw stones at those att. whores
yes, some ESTps are exactly what you described and it's horribly annoying to me. it's just the way some of them are. I know that you know but there are ESTps out there which are balanced, intelligent and laid back people who definitely know when something is worth it and don't try to get the power in all occasions and situations. they just don't care about trivial shit like that and are after their own interests. which is how basically everyone should act in general.
Ni ENFjs are very fast at figuring out your personality, they penetrate into your mind, emotions see your intentions and what you really are like, like Ashton said. Fe ENFjs do it too but not so violently and aren't quick to start terrorizing your inner self while Ni ENFjs.. well that seems to be their primary tool of action. that's probably the only beta that I really don't like being around. they try to mess with your mind too much. I don't like being on guard all the time, trying to predict and then fend off their intrusive shit. and I can't really hide my "real" self even if I'm really cautious and careful about giving away, maybe because we're mirrors and intuitively figure out each other.
I too mess with people's minds sometimes but usually in a playful, soft manner, without being intrusive at all.
I've been part of companies composed of only betas and it's like every other company.. if you don't like being in companies you'll get irritated by them.
if there is certain separation like the 2 dual pairs doing their own thing and only seeing each other for fun - that is probably the best you can get.
in general I try to keep ok relations with all of beta cause they really seem to know how to inflict emotional, physical and social damage to the max and I have enough stuff to keep me busy already to be able to afford that, so if I stumble upon a problematic beta I try to walk away without much fuss.
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Yeah, fucking Ni-ENFjs are some intrapsychic terrorists for real. Lol@having one for a dad 
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Also I'm pretty sure out of all Betas, that Ni-ENFjs have the greatest propensity for ruthless murder lol.
.Also I'm pretty sure out of all Betas, that Ni-ENFjs have the greatest propensity for ruthless murder lol.
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krae, on Jan 9 2008, 11:47 PM, said:
yeah I was just going to write that prolly INFp girls like that thing, idk if I like it.
anyways activators are instantly attractive and like _very attractive_ so yeah they'll come after you and being ESTps they'll be persistent about it. guess telling them that you "really, really" with emphasis on "really" don't want to + doing it with a dose of repulsive Fe should work but who knows.
otherwise I find some bad flavour ISTjs unpredictable in creepy ways. ISTjs notice everything that goes around them, including what people do and have done, but just as the INFps they are "behind the scenes" kind of people so you can only sense that their calculator just made a cycle but you can't tell when it's going to get back at you. you can't just play nice around them if you have something else in mind. they'll figure it out and be ready to act anytime. and sometimes you need to do manoeuvres which aren't harmful or taxing but ISTjs are always there to notice them and THAT is irritating. I prefer I'm the only one who knows what I do.
when I'm in the company of ENFj + ESTp they both steal the show. ESTps alone usually suck out all the attention like a vacuum cleaner and then ENFjs attract all the attention to themselfs so you have to do something extraordinary to stand out; that is if you want to. good thing for some time now I'm content with enjoying only listening to other people's conversations without participating, otherwise I'd have to throw stones at those att. whores
yes, some ESTps are exactly what you described and it's horribly annoying to me. it's just the way some of them are. I know that you know but there are ESTps out there which are balanced, intelligent and laid back people who definitely know when something is worth it and don't try to get the power in all occasions and situations. they just don't care about trivial shit like that and are after their own interests. which is how basically everyone should act in general.
Ni ENFjs are very fast at figuring out your personality, they penetrate into your mind, emotions see your intentions and what you really are like, like Ashton said. Fe ENFjs do it too but not so violently and aren't quick to start terrorizing your inner self while Ni ENFjs.. well that seems to be their primary tool of action. that's probably the only beta that I really don't like being around. they try to mess with your mind too much. I don't like being on guard all the time, trying to predict and then fend off their intrusive shit. and I can't really hide my "real" self even if I'm really cautious and careful about giving away, maybe because we're mirrors and intuitively figure out each other.
I too mess with people's minds sometimes but usually in a playful, soft manner, without being intrusive at all.
I've been part of companies composed of only betas and it's like every other company.. if you don't like being in companies you'll get irritated by them.
if there is certain separation like the 2 dual pairs doing their own thing and only seeing each other for fun - that is probably the best you can get.
in general I try to keep ok relations with all of beta cause they really seem to know how to inflict emotional, physical and social damage to the max and I have enough stuff to keep me busy already to be able to afford that, so if I stumble upon a problematic beta I try to walk away without much fuss.
anyways activators are instantly attractive and like _very attractive_ so yeah they'll come after you and being ESTps they'll be persistent about it. guess telling them that you "really, really" with emphasis on "really" don't want to + doing it with a dose of repulsive Fe should work but who knows.
otherwise I find some bad flavour ISTjs unpredictable in creepy ways. ISTjs notice everything that goes around them, including what people do and have done, but just as the INFps they are "behind the scenes" kind of people so you can only sense that their calculator just made a cycle but you can't tell when it's going to get back at you. you can't just play nice around them if you have something else in mind. they'll figure it out and be ready to act anytime. and sometimes you need to do manoeuvres which aren't harmful or taxing but ISTjs are always there to notice them and THAT is irritating. I prefer I'm the only one who knows what I do.
when I'm in the company of ENFj + ESTp they both steal the show. ESTps alone usually suck out all the attention like a vacuum cleaner and then ENFjs attract all the attention to themselfs so you have to do something extraordinary to stand out; that is if you want to. good thing for some time now I'm content with enjoying only listening to other people's conversations without participating, otherwise I'd have to throw stones at those att. whores
yes, some ESTps are exactly what you described and it's horribly annoying to me. it's just the way some of them are. I know that you know but there are ESTps out there which are balanced, intelligent and laid back people who definitely know when something is worth it and don't try to get the power in all occasions and situations. they just don't care about trivial shit like that and are after their own interests. which is how basically everyone should act in general.
Ni ENFjs are very fast at figuring out your personality, they penetrate into your mind, emotions see your intentions and what you really are like, like Ashton said. Fe ENFjs do it too but not so violently and aren't quick to start terrorizing your inner self while Ni ENFjs.. well that seems to be their primary tool of action. that's probably the only beta that I really don't like being around. they try to mess with your mind too much. I don't like being on guard all the time, trying to predict and then fend off their intrusive shit. and I can't really hide my "real" self even if I'm really cautious and careful about giving away, maybe because we're mirrors and intuitively figure out each other.
I too mess with people's minds sometimes but usually in a playful, soft manner, without being intrusive at all.
I've been part of companies composed of only betas and it's like every other company.. if you don't like being in companies you'll get irritated by them.
if there is certain separation like the 2 dual pairs doing their own thing and only seeing each other for fun - that is probably the best you can get.
in general I try to keep ok relations with all of beta cause they really seem to know how to inflict emotional, physical and social damage to the max and I have enough stuff to keep me busy already to be able to afford that, so if I stumble upon a problematic beta I try to walk away without much fuss.
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you just made one of those comments jadae.
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you just made one of those comments jadae.
I just cant help myself! It's like discovering the joys of your own penis @ youth.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 10:20 PM
IEI-Fe girls can be annoying as shit. I know this one girl, I can totally see through her ... goddamn, biggest attention whore and way too obvious. I would think that the IEI-Fe would know how to be a bit more subtle in seeking attention, but all of us Betas IRL don't like her very much.
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Jadae, on Jan 11 2008, 03:33 AM, said:
I just cant help myself! It's like discovering the joys of your own penis @ my mouth.
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glamourama, on Jan 10 2008, 02:48 PM, said:
really? that's interesting 
I thought the types were more or less spread out evenly
I thought the types were more or less spread out evenlyI think it goes like...
40% - Alpha
30% - Delta
20% - Beta
10% - Gamma
Rough estimate, but that's been my impression for a long time.
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Lux, on Jan 10 2008, 10:20 PM, said:
IEI-Fe girls can be annoying as shit. I know this one girl, I can totally see through her ... goddamn, biggest attention whore and way too obvious. I would think that the IEI-Fe would know how to be a bit more subtle in seeking attention, but all of us Betas IRL don't like her very much.
Careful, you're Fe-IEI too lol.
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Ashton, on Jan 11 2008, 02:36 PM, said:
I think it goes like...
40% - Alpha
30% - Delta
20% - Beta
10% - Gamma
Rough estimate, but that's been my impression for a long time.
40% - Alpha
30% - Delta
20% - Beta
10% - Gamma
Rough estimate, but that's been my impression for a long time.
And I think even within these groups it varies, like there may be less Alpha NTs than Beta STs, but of course Alpha SF's are the most common.
And like, there probably are fewer Ni INFps than Fi ESFps I would think.
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Steve, on Jan 11 2008, 02:46 PM, said:
And I think even within these groups it varies, like there may be less Alpha NTs than Beta STs, but of course Alpha SF's are the most common.
I would imagine something close to a 2:1 ratio split between SF:NT in Alpha, something like:
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And like, there probably are fewer Ni INFps than Fi ESFps I would think.
Yeah.
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What's the split for Gamma, Ashton?
Also, types are probably split by gender and even further by gender subtype. Ashton and I were just having a conversation about this a few days ago about INTps and their subtypes. Basically, the gist of it was that within the INTp population, females would probably be the majority of Ni subtypes, whereas men are probably mostly Te subtypes. There are men Ni subtypes, and female Te subtypes, but they are probably a rarity among a rare type to begin with. I don't think we discussed the male/female ratio in INTps altogether, though.
Consider, also, that there may be a predominance of one subtype over another in terms of general numbers.
Also, types are probably split by gender and even further by gender subtype. Ashton and I were just having a conversation about this a few days ago about INTps and their subtypes. Basically, the gist of it was that within the INTp population, females would probably be the majority of Ni subtypes, whereas men are probably mostly Te subtypes. There are men Ni subtypes, and female Te subtypes, but they are probably a rarity among a rare type to begin with. I don't think we discussed the male/female ratio in INTps altogether, though.
Consider, also, that there may be a predominance of one subtype over another in terms of general numbers.
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What's the split for Gamma, Ashton?
Also, types are probably split by gender and even further by gender subtype. Ashton and I were just having a conversation about this a few days ago about INTps and their subtypes. Basically, the gist of it was that within the INTp population, females would probably be the majority of Ni subtypes, whereas men are probably mostly Te subtypes. There are men Ni subtypes, and female Te subtypes, but they are probably a rarity among a rare type to begin with. I don't think we discussed the male/female ratio in INTps altogether, though.
Consider, also, that there may be a predominance of one subtype over another in terms of general numbers.
Also, types are probably split by gender and even further by gender subtype. Ashton and I were just having a conversation about this a few days ago about INTps and their subtypes. Basically, the gist of it was that within the INTp population, females would probably be the majority of Ni subtypes, whereas men are probably mostly Te subtypes. There are men Ni subtypes, and female Te subtypes, but they are probably a rarity among a rare type to begin with. I don't think we discussed the male/female ratio in INTps altogether, though.
Consider, also, that there may be a predominance of one subtype over another in terms of general numbers.
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Yes. Ive always known I was a bit odd, even at a really young age
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cogsci, on Jan 11 2008, 03:15 PM, said:
What's the split for Gamma, Ashton?[
I really don't know, I haven't met enough to be able to tell. It seems like I see ENTjs more than anything else (though still very rarely), but I'm pretty sure that's just because they're my own type.
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Consider, also, that there may be a predominance of one subtype over another in terms of general numbers.
Of course. I think in general that the split between judging/percieving subtypes in general is something like 75%/25%.
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Careful, you're Fe-IEI too lol.
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:30 AM
Ashton, on Jan 11 2008, 08:36 PM, said:
I think it goes like...
40% - Alpha
30% - Delta
20% - Beta
10% - Gamma
Rough estimate, but that's been my impression for a long time.
40% - Alpha
30% - Delta
20% - Beta
10% - Gamma
Rough estimate, but that's been my impression for a long time.
If this is true then there must be very very few P subs in delta (especially EII and LSE) I do not think I have EVER met another infj=ne irl and have met a only a couple of LSE -Si types.
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 08:13 AM
christy_b, on Oct 1 2008, 08:30 AM, said:
If this is true then there must be very very few P subs in delta (especially EII and LSE) I do not think I have EVER met another infj=ne irl and have met a only a couple of LSE -Si types.
Wow...I actually know several of these types IRL. You need to get out more.
In general, I think there are definitely fewer P-subs than Js. Even though I agree with Ashton that alphas are probably the most numerous, I think there are more Beta-Js and Delta-Js than Alpha-Ps. I'm not sure why this is. Maybe we have a harder time reproducing. Who knows?
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 05:07 PM
Steve, on Jan 11 2008, 01:46 PM, said:
And like, there probably are fewer Ni INFps than Fi ESFps I would think.
Ashton, on Jan 11 2008, 01:58 PM, said:
Yeah.
Ashton, on Jan 12 2008, 03:13 AM, said:
Of course. I think in general that the split between judging/percieving subtypes in general is something like 75%/25%.
How the fuck do you know all this.
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 07:29 PM
dölphin, on Oct 1 2008, 06:07 PM, said:
How the fuck do you know all this.
I don't. It's a general impression as derived from day-to-day experience.
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Posted 02 October 2008 - 08:13 AM
Nick, on Oct 2 2008, 02:46 AM, said:
lmao
Ok, so, rather than breaking it down simply by quadras, it's probably smarter to look at subtypes as well. As others have pointed out, P-subs tend to be more scarce than J-subs, which my experience supports. The types I have encountered least are: Ni-INTp (one), Ni-INFp (one, aside from myself), Se-ISFj (only allie lol), Se-ISTj (two, at most). The Ni-ENxjs have also been scarce in my experience, but I have seen a handful. The Se-ESxps would probably follow, although Se-ESTps seem to be everywhere at times lol. Could just be because they're wired to fuck shit up. dunno.
Ok, so, rather than breaking it down simply by quadras, it's probably smarter to look at subtypes as well. As others have pointed out, P-subs tend to be more scarce than J-subs, which my experience supports. The types I have encountered least are: Ni-INTp (one), Ni-INFp (one, aside from myself), Se-ISFj (only allie lol), Se-ISTj (two, at most). The Ni-ENxjs have also been scarce in my experience, but I have seen a handful. The Se-ESxps would probably follow, although Se-ESTps seem to be everywhere at times lol. Could just be because they're wired to fuck shit up. dunno.
I know three intp-ni very well. I think this is very rare type though I happened to have found three who are pretty close people in my life. The friend I am living with now, my aunt , and another friend. Aunt and friend I live with now are 5w4, other friend is 5w6. I dont think I know any male intp-ni cept for adder. Dad is Istj-Se (1w9), mom is Enfj-Ni (9w?) don't think I know anyone else who is either of those types. Know lots and lots of J sub alphas and J sub betas. Grandma is INFP-Ni. Uncle and one of my best friends was ESTP-Se though have not known any others besides those two. My life is replete with gamma alpha and beta friendships and oddly very very few deltas :/. I have yet to figure out why this is....
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Posted 02 October 2008 - 11:08 AM
Nick, on Oct 2 2008, 03:36 PM, said:
Interesting that you've encountered so many Ni-INTps. And I wish I had your parents! 
btw I think blackadder is prolly INTj. Not sure, but he VI's as static. I wouldn't be surprised if he was another "internet INTp" case, lol.
btw I think blackadder is prolly INTj. Not sure, but he VI's as static. I wouldn't be surprised if he was another "internet INTp" case, lol.
I am actually starting to suspect that the girl I am with here in England is actually a sort-of "introverted" ENTj-Ni... but anyways
ya lol my parents are pretty cool can but can be hard cause I don't think they have ever truly "understood" me.
regarding adder: I don't really know him that well but he did tell me he was INTp so I was basically going off of his self-typing.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:47 AM
Ajax, on Jan 9 2008, 11:37 PM, said:
I have very bad relations with ESTps males, I find them bitchy and bent on having power, no matter how small and stupid it is and they like having other people following them around as if they are the pied piper or something. I hate groups and I do not want anyone telling me what to do. I am pretty sure these are ESTps. Does anyone else have a pattern of having bad or not so good relations with a type in their own quadra?
Yeah. My identicals and my activity partners.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:46 AM
theMime., on Oct 3 2008, 04:47 AM, said:
Yeah. My identicals and my activity partners.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:05 PM
Nick, on Oct 3 2008, 11:52 AM, said:
GAMMA GODDAMMIT
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:15 PM
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btw I think blackadder is prolly INTj. Not sure, but he VI's as static. I wouldn't be surprised if he was another "internet INTp" case, lol.
Yeah he's not INTp. INTj most likely.
Also, he was spewing historical inaccuracies about WW2. So I hate him for life.
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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:19 PM
I don't think I like my identicals that much very often. Other than that, the other Gammas are legit.
“Some of the evil of my tale may have been inherent in our circumstances. For years we lived anyhow with one another in the naked desert, under the indifferent heaven. By day the hot sun fermented us; and we were dizzied by the beating wind. At night we were stained by dew, and shamed into pettiness by the innumerable silences of stars. We were a self-centered army without parade or gesture, devoted to freedom, the second of man's creeds, a purpose so ravenous that it devoured all our strength, a hope so transcendent that our earlier ambitions faded in its glare.” —T.E. Lawrence
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