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[Ashton]

Something I wrote up recently because someone asked. I thought I'd expand on it a bit and make a post out of it. I usually would never post things because I dunno. Feels weird to make profile-like descriptions.

Anyway, this is all generalizations. So if something doesn't fit and you are offended, then get off the internet plz. Enjoy. Criticism welcome.

Ni-ENFj

Intense, impulsive, unpredictable, magnetic. Mood is labile, activity levels are erratic. More forceful and domineering in how they engage with people. Has a piercing, raw visceral awareness for getting inside of peoples heads. Invasively deciphers them without restraint, knows what makes them tick, and how to work them. Likes to test people and thrives on getting reactions out of people, especially if it involves pushing the envelope. When unhealthy, they can be extremely manipulative and very controlling of others, and takes license to "shape" those close to them to whatever they deem "necessary" for that person. Within their controlled exterior swells a volatile edginess that tends to make others uneasy - the impression is that one never knows if/when they might explode and how severely. Furiously confrontational if provoked, the force of anger capable in this type has no equal. Though at the same time their intense and enigmatic presence often draws people in with a mesmerizing sway. Likes to be mysterious, eccentric, weird, and is often drawn to very abstract and mystical thinking. Often has a highly vivid imagination and a powerful visionary creativity. Makes decisions and acts through inspiration and instinct, rather than through intellect and reason. Can get obsessively fixated over notions of struggle and sacrifice, the sheer fanaticism of which can fuel imperatives of cosmic significance in their mind. More unhealthy ones will glorify violence and the darker macabre aspects of human nature.

Examples: Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Malcolm X, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Jack Nicholson, Christopher Walken, Salvidor Dali, Pablo Picasso, Frank Frazetta, G.I. Gurdjieff, Scarlett Johansson



Fe-ENFj

Charming, gregarious, playful, judicious. Mood tends to be calmer and more stable. Generally their presence puts people at ease and positively uplifts the social atmosphere around them. Sharp observer of people, sees them for who they are, but without aggressively invading the person's psyche. Very humorous and often possesses a characteristic wit, makes utterly hilarious quips that are somehow perfect in delivery and target. Tends to be universally well-liked and popular among those who know them. Prefers to be diplomatic and knows how to get most people on their side, likes to deter confrontation but won't shy from it if it's necessary. Never one to be trifled with and soundly puts any offending interlocutor in their place with an elegant finesse. Very caring for those close to them and readily supportive, but in a distinctly non-smothering way. Does not like dependency, wants those close to them be self-sufficient and independent. Invaluable source for honest criticism and applicable insight into life. More pragmatically-minded and concerned with what is realistically attainable, more grounded in what is reasonable. Not likely to make rash decisions, but carefully reasons out plans and goals, and pursues goals with disciplined and steady perseverance. Can be extremely prolific and inventive, and often has many side hobbies they like to stay busy tinkering with. Some become incredibly diverse polymaths who are skilled and interested in many things, which can range from theoretical physics to crop farming.

Examples: John F. Kennedy, Margaret Thatcher, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, Benjamin Franklin, Hugh Hefner, Mark Twain, Richard Feynman, Voltaire, Oscar Wilde, Jerry Springer, Charlize Theron

[Mr 2012]

idk why there are no replies probably bcz these descriptions are just good

[Ashton]

Nobody appreciates me (((((((((((((((

[Steve]

Yes they are - Ashton posted the link in the chat one time and I told him how good they were then

[Ajax]

I read them too. I liked them in parts but like a thousand other topics around here I haven't gotten around to this one yet.

[Lux]

I am most certainly not the Fe subtype O___o How wrong I was.

[Lux]

Jadae, on Jan 10 2008, 11:10 PM, said:

I tried to tell you

Did you really? Heh, serious question, don't recall this. I'm doubting myself being EIE at all, actually. However, after reading the Ni subtype description, I must say I do relate a lot to it, although it does make me appear somewhat capable of great evil. Not that I mind that entirely ... it adds an element of mystery and danger to myself that I quite enjoy. Note also though, that I'm suffering from depression and am not yet medicated but soon will be.

[istpunk]

I've met both types, one of them is artist and the other is business. I like the artist a lot more.

[07490]

Ashton, it is me # from stickam, if that was written totally in your own word, I must say Both enfj description is well though-out careful consideration of the fact, and very very good observation of the ENFJ, i can't say anything but give you prop on that kind of well written description. Sounds very much like any professionally written Type description to me.

[Ashton]

7490, on Sep 18 2008, 02:58 AM, said:

Ashton, it is me # from stickam, if that was written totally in your own word, I must say Both enfj description is well though-out careful consideration of the fact, and very very good observation of the ENFJ, i can't say anything but give you prop on that kind of well written description. Sounds very much like any professionally written Type description to me.

Yep, I wrote them word for word with nothing borrowed or paraphrased from other sources. Glad you liked them, thank you.

[Ajax]

Allie, on Sep 18 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

You don't seem like either of those descriptions. Hmmm

Don't know 7490..... in what does that person not seem like the descriptions?

[borderline]

Ajax, on Sep 18 2008, 10:48 PM, said:

Don't know 7490..... in what does that person not seem like the descriptions?

Oh, I've seen him on Stickam. On webcam. I'll clarify why exactly later when I'm more awake.

[Ajax]

About the descriptions. I am not sure about the typing of ENFj for some of those people but the descriptions generally are amongst the better ones and I hope they can be put somewhere where they don't become lost and that similar descriptions of some of the other types may eventually be added.

I have a few traits of the Ni type but I am an Fe type mainly. One of the things I identify with most about the description here is that I really dislike dependence (I cannot say this too strongly). To me independence is strongly linked with freedom and in the end I think being independent in thought and action is one of the qualities that will help a person deal with whatever kind of shit they might encounter. Dependence in the equavalent of a type of enslavement and self abandonment from my perspective.


Likes to be mysterious, eccentric, weird (more Ni type relevant)

I don't really know if I like these qualities so much as that I have certain ways of being which some people interprete as weird, etc and I don't really quite know how to be consistentently whatever is considered normal because I just go along with my visions and way of being because that is what works for me.

[07490]

Allie, on Sep 19 2008, 04:28 AM, said:

Oh, I've seen him on Stickam. On webcam. I'll clarify why exactly later when I'm more awake.

well, all i can say is that i match up well in socionics.com, ENfj description, Thta how I typed myself as an EIE, but its ok, i look at a type as just a label, but i wont presuade your opinion about what types I am, Its really pointness. But anyway I am most certain I am an ENFj and 100% sure i am Beta NF. You can debate me whether i am an INFp, that way i listen, all the other typing i will just kind of ignored.

[Kristiina]

Ashton, on Dec 29 2007, 08:29 AM, said:

Ni-ENFj

Intense, impulsive, unpredictable, magnetic. Mood is labile, activity levels are erratic. More forceful and domineering in how they engage with people. Has a piercing, raw visceral awareness for getting inside of peoples heads. Invasively deciphers them without restraint, knows what makes them tick, and how to work them. Likes to test people and thrives on getting reactions out of people, especially if it involves pushing the envelope. When unhealthy, they can be extremely manipulative and very controlling of others, and takes license to "shape" those close to them to whatever they deem "necessary" for that person. Within their controlled exterior swells a volatile edginess that tends to make others uneasy - the impression is that one never knows if/when they might explode and how severely. Furiously confrontational if provoked, the force of anger capable in this type has no equal. Though at the same time their intense and enigmatic presence often draws people in with a mesmerizing sway. Likes to be mysterious, eccentric, weird, and is often drawn to very abstract and mystical thinking. Often has a highly vivid imagination and a powerful visionary creativity. Makes decisions and acts through inspiration and instinct, rather than through intellect and reason. Can get obsessively fixated over notions of struggle and sacrifice, the sheer fanaticism of which can fuel imperatives of cosmic significance in their mind. More unhealthy ones will glorify violence and the darker macabre aspects of human nature.

Examples: Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Malcolm X, Anthony Hopkins, Dennis Hopper, Jack Nicholson, Christopher Walken, Salvidor Dali, Pablo Picasso, Frank Frazetta, G.I. Gurdjieff, Scarlett Johansson

I don't think anyone would type me as EIE-Ni according to this, but I identify with most of this. Except I'm not so unpredictable and impulsive. Rather I'd add something - EIE Ni subtype is very contemplative. Fe subtype tends to be radiant and full of energy while Ni subtype observes and ponders and they adjust behavior according to what they see and decide.

I'm not at all intense 90% of the time, but when I decide something is worth the effort, it gives me a lot of energy to speak my mind and to be proactive. Then I become intense for the goal. Without a goal, I'm very inactive, so this is in agreement with "Mood is labile, activity levels are erratic."

I act after careful consideration, but I use instinct and inspiration when doing the consideration, so it's technically correct to say "Makes decisions and acts through inspiration and instinct, rather than through intellect and reason."

In general well done with the descriptions.

[07490]

Kristiina, on Oct 20 2008, 08:59 AM, said:

I don't think anyone would type me as EIE-Ni according to this, but I identify with most of this. Except I'm not so unpredictable and impulsive. Rather I'd add something - EIE Ni subtype is very contemplative. Fe subtype tends to be radiant and full of energy while Ni subtype observes and ponders and they adjust behavior according to what they see and decide.

I'm not at all intense 90% of the time, but when I decide something is worth the effort, it gives me a lot of energy to speak my mind and to be proactive. Then I become intense for the goal. Without a goal, I'm very inactive, so this is in agreement with "Mood is labile, activity levels are erratic."

I act after careful consideration, but I use instinct and inspiration when doing the consideration, so it's technically correct to say "Makes decisions and acts through inspiration and instinct, rather than through intellect and reason."

In general well done with the descriptions.

It was overly written.

[Kristiina]

7490, on Oct 20 2008, 12:47 PM, said:

It was overly written.

you mean somewhat exaggerated to make the differences more visible? well yeah, but I still needed to write the clarification so people won't think Ni-sub is the aggressive emo type.
Okay, perhaps some are agressive emos, but it shouldn't be used for typing. Also, people shouldn't imagine Ni-EIE to be too impulsive. I'm more of an overplanner really.

[Ashton]

Kristiina, on Oct 20 2008, 05:02 AM, said:

you mean somewhat exaggerated to make the differences more visible? well yeah, but I still needed to write the clarification so people won't think Ni-sub is the aggressive emo type.
Okay, perhaps some are agressive emos, but it shouldn't be used for typing. Also, people shouldn't imagine Ni-EIE to be too impulsive. I'm more of an overplanner really.

Why are you Ni-ENFj and not Fe-ENFj? The latter seems far more likely IMO, if the choice were strictly between the two. Though your type is still something of a general enigma to me and I'm never entirely sure where to place you for some reason.

[07490]

Ashton, on Oct 20 2008, 10:12 AM, said:

Why are you Ni-ENFj and not Fe-ENFj? The latter seems far more likely IMO, if the choice were strictly between the two. Though your type is still something of a general enigma to me and I'm never entirely sure where to place you for some reason.

Ashton, EIE-Ni is NOT always the Ennagram 8 that you would think. In fact I think if there are indeed ENFj ennagram 8, they will be the extremely careful types, and i think they have a certain anexiety tension building within, and they are much more carefree than ENFJ-Fe. ENFj-Fe worries alot, pre-plan everything as opposed to ENFJ-NI who has an "to be or not to be" attitude. ENFj-fe always have an "To be attitude, which makes them highly ambitious and unable to relax". EIE-NI likes to be lenthgy and their SE is more noticeable, thefore more extravangant and unpredictable, but usually it does not hold up the endurance and consistency as to the enfj-fe, they know how to relax and chill whenever their mind seem overwhelmed. I think the WIKI Subtypes on the EIE is very acturate.

[07490]

Kristiina, on Oct 20 2008, 10:02 AM, said:

you mean somewhat exaggerated to make the differences more visible? well yeah, but I still needed to write the clarification so people won't think Ni-sub is the aggressive emo type.
Okay, perhaps some are agressive emos, but it shouldn't be used for typing. Also, people shouldn't imagine Ni-EIE to be too impulsive. I'm more of an overplanner really.

Just by her writing style and a few short meetings in stickam, I have no doubt she is my identical, when I say Idenity i mean same socionics types,subtypes ennagram types and same instinct.

[Kristiina]

7490, on Oct 20 2008, 01:29 PM, said:

Just by her writing style and a few short meetings in stickam, I have no doubt she is my identical, when I say Idenity i mean same socionics types,subtypes ennagram types and same instinct.

perhaps you are not EIE then.

One reason why I think I'm EIE-Ni (and not EIE-Fe) is because I've sometimes been typed as IEI or SEI. People think I have a relaxed body language. Pretty absurd IMO. I think I'm totally tense compared to the average person. The most vivid difference between subtypes - you could mix up EIE-Fe with ESE's (because their Ni isn't really all that obvious)Ü and you could mix up EIE-Ni with IEI's (because their Ni is just so obvious and you will never type them as ILI because Fe is their base function no matter how weak it seems).

[07490]

Kristiina, on Oct 20 2008, 12:37 PM, said:

perhaps you are not EIE then.

One reason why I think I'm EIE-Ni (and not EIE-Fe) is because I've sometimes been typed as IEI or SEI. People think I have a relaxed body language. Pretty absurd IMO. I think I'm totally tense compared to the average person. The most vivid difference between subtypes - you could mix up EIE-Fe with ESE's (because their Ni isn't really all that obvious)Ü and you could mix up EIE-Ni with IEI's (because their Ni is just so obvious and you will never type them as ILI because Fe is their base function no matter how weak it seems).

I am 100% sure i am an either type of beta NF, no need to analyse, its getting tiring.

[Ashton]

7490, on Oct 20 2008, 05:27 AM, said:

Ashton, EIE-Ni is NOT always the Ennagram 8 that you would think.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said that all Ni-ENFjs are 8s, I only said that 8 was a frequent Enneagram type for Ni-ENFjs. I have also observed Ni-ENFj 6s and 7s.

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In fact I think if there are indeed ENFj ennagram 8, they will be the extremely careful types, and i think they have a certain anexiety tension building within, and they are much more carefree than ENFJ-Fe.

What you said there seems contradictory... they are careful, yet carefree? Clarify if you could. I agree that many of them seem to have a certain "anxiety tension" within.

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ENFj-Fe worries alot, pre-plan everything as opposed to ENFJ-NI who has an "to be or not to be" attitude. ENFj-fe always have an "To be attitude, which makes them highly ambitious and unable to relax".

I think that's variable. Most (but not all) Fe-ENFjs seem relaxed to me, as do most normal Ni-ENFjs. Unless I'm just not seeing something.

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EIE-NI likes to be lenthgy and their SE is more noticeable, thefore more extravangant and unpredictable, but usually it does not hold up the endurance and consistency as to the enfj-fe, they know how to relax and chill whenever their mind seem overwhelmed.

I agree that the of Ni-ENFj is more noticeable, and that they tend to have less consistency to their actions than Fe-ENFj.

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I think the WIKI Subtypes on the EIE is very acturate.

I have not read them carefully yet, I can't say.

[Ashton]

Kristiina, on Oct 20 2008, 05:02 AM, said:

you mean somewhat exaggerated to make the differences more visible?

Cool, you get it. I believe a type description, at least insofar as illustrative portraits of type behavior go, can only ever be a mixed-bag of generalizations. So naturally, there are going to be stereotypes and exaggerations within them and it's unfair to expect precision and accuracy in their portrayals. You just do your best to make generalizations that are balanced between being as broadly encompassing as possible and as unique to the type as possible. And it's never a perfect description for any 1 case of that type. At best, any type description should never be used as a basis for deciding one's type, only as a rough guide. The epistemological weight of type profiles/descriptions is very insignificant IMO.

[Ashton]

JuJu, on Oct 20 2008, 11:00 AM, said:

Ashton, these are very good... Do you have any other subtype descriptions?

Nay, I do not. I had jotted these up on a whim because someone had asked me in PM to describe the differences between the two ENFj subtypes. So I just started writing and this is what I came up with. At the end I thought they were decent, so I posted them.

[Ashton]

Kristiina, on Oct 20 2008, 06:37 AM, said:

perhaps you are not EIE then.

One reason why I think I'm EIE-Ni (and not EIE-Fe) is because I've sometimes been typed as IEI or SEI. People think I have a relaxed body language. Pretty absurd IMO. I think I'm totally tense compared to the average person.

You have always seemed very tense to me, even your writing conveyed it lol. And seeing you on Stickam reiterated the impression I'd always had.

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The most vivid difference between subtypes - you could mix up EIE-Fe with ESE's (because their Ni isn't really all that obvious)Ü and you could mix up EIE-Ni with IEI's (because their Ni is just so obvious and you will never type them as ILI because Fe is their base function no matter how weak it seems).

I would agree with that.

[Kristiina]

Ashton, on Oct 21 2008, 09:38 AM, said:

You have always seemed very tense to me, even your writing conveyed it lol. And seeing you on Stickam reiterated the impression I'd always had.

EXACTLY! I don't know how people claiming to know about socionics would see me in person and collectively type me as SEI!

[crazedrat]

Me neither. SEIs are not misinformed snobs

[07490]

For all of you who thinks i am an ESFj and not ENFj

http://wikisocion.or...male_and_female

"Young Hamlet first of all attracts attention in new company. His noble appearance is successfully combined with artistic manners. It is possible to say vice versa: artistic appearance is successfully combined with noble manners. Briefly, bright eyes, spectacular gestures, the sea of charm - all this produces an impression on the girls.

Hamlet is prince-like, his clothing can vary from professional to extravagant and creative. Youths of this type are found to follow trends, frequently even those lacking that spectacular appearance--earrings, chains, anything black, bandanas, skull rings, skeleton pendants--all this is used for adornment, especially in youth. Hair can be either long or short, natural colored or dyed, from anything to green.

However, Hamlet, from the first minute of meeting someone, can entertain a familiar via a captivating conversation. In this case his eyes shine, and conversational themes are found immediately. Sociability in men of this type is accompanied by bright emotionalism and incorruptible enthusiasm. But his speech, as a rule, consists of surprising descriptions and many excellent epithets. As a rule, around him is an enormous quantity of people, although they may be only surface acquaintances. And even if Hamlet does not associate with them constantly, if by him they are desired, at any moment he can renew contact.

In school he is the merry, life-loving child, who with great interest associates, then learns. Although, in principle, Hamlet can learn completely well. It is a great misfortune that he possesses weak will, and he frequently therefore cannot force himself to be occupied if he considers something uninteresting. He is sometimes weak-willed to such an extent that it overcomes him, that in the morning he cannot force himself to rise from bed, as a result of which he misses school.

One of the dearest subjects to him is history. Moreover, he writes well and possesses a rich imagination, giving literary treatments to his work, so his compositions are frequently constructed better than others. Geography also draws him, since, when he matures, journeys will become his dear occupation. He is drawn by the unknown, untrodden paths, the romantic of distant roads. Therefore already in school he often becomes a frequenter of tourist clubs.

Hamlet is pleased to command and lead--indeed in his soul this youth is a real leader, and precisely there he begins to master the necessary habits of leadership. Tourism provides him with romantic experience and contact, without which he himself simply cannot think. Add here his constant companion, the guitar, with which by his beautiful voice he sings his own and others' strange songs, and his romantic happiness will be complete. In connection with this is recalled one very old song Of "Brigantina", where in the romantic key are mentioned "Pirates and adventurers...". Apparently, the majority of them were Hamlets.

Young Hamlet loved to think over all the trifles of the marching life and on the eve of the current march reminded each that it is necessary to take a cigarette lighter. Being a master in kindling bonfires, he as always studied this himself, but he has other matters, so that, from time to time, without his watchful eye, the bonfire attenuated, and sequential cigarette lighters disappeared in the total darkness in the grass next to the campfire. Then he took someone's additional lighter and rekindled the bonfire. And this occurred several times in the evening. The following morning, when everyone came out from their tents, they saw all the cigarette lighters scattered around the bonfire.

Among the interest of this thinly feeling youth from childhood itself there can be music, literature (in particular, poetry) and drawing, within the framework of which he attempts (frequently successfully) to reveal his talent. But most of all he draws his self expression on the work. He loves and knows how to enter into the most different gatherings, literally delighting in litsedeystvom, and also noticeably he looks as the variety singer.

If you proved to be in a company with Hamlet, it is not necessary for you to display initiative in order to be introduced to him. Well, only if to you fell an already entirely modest, entirely shy and timid Hamlet (such can also be encountered). But consider, this youth, regardless of whether he has a romantic-lyric nature or simply possesses a merry disposition, does not love rattles and whistles. Serious, even strict girls please him. Specifically, such girl, which will wait for him his entire life, he wants to always return to from his distant journeys.

If you selected for yourselves to become one of the companions to the life of Hamlet, expect that around you will be arranged a merry, reckless, and a little chaotic life. To you it will never be boring with him. Moreover in your house there will always be many friends, and at the holiday table you even risk to meet unknown to you (and few very familiar to him) people.

In earnest to devote himself to the economy (most likely means housekeeping and supplies)? No, this, of course, is not his style. By nature he is a romantic and nomad, and therefore his interests always come before his way of life. However, there are encountered sometimes such HAMLET, who know rather well how to use a drill. Only do not expect, that the husband will during his entire life with rapture do re-plannings (redecorations) in the apartment or hang somewhere else pictures striving toward the ideal cosiness and unsurpassed beauty. Nevertheless he is more greatly occupied in life by something that is more elevating.

As a rule, your companion is happy (original read "your satellite of oars," which I believe is hilarious; the machine apparently can't distinguish between "happy" and "oars") and optimistic, ready to support you with his bright emotions. But if the relationship does not grow, he will always know how to express to you his displeasure in the form of cold contempt, with the aid of a dramatic explanation or having simply increased distance. His feeling of guilt is also worthless to him to hang somewhere else on you, even if you are entirely not guilty. Hence, be vigilant! (The last two sentences do not translate well if I keep the sentence structure and original meaning. The first basically says that it is easy or does not cost him anything to guilt you. The latter is a Soviet slogan, which I have greatly altered, that means "pay attention" or "always keep this in your mind," neither of which quite encompasses the full context of the phrase.)

He will try to transmit to his children his enthusiasm in the subjugation of space. The entire family will regularly frolic with nature, travel to other cities and countries. He adores to travel, to visit the entire world, and also (without fail!) to photograph and to remove (develop?) films about his journeys. Indeed to him it is so necessary to see everything, to be present everywhere, and then, the main thing - to describe about all this, in order for others to be absorbed by its impressions. He will without fail call friends - otherwise why did he travel then? - he will show and say, say, say! On many this produces an impression, and they light up by the idea to repeat the unusual route. But already the crowd of people, which Hamlet can envelop with his influence and action, can be extremely large. He is a truly great leader, who leads everyone through the deserts, the mountains, doly, forests and fields! Forward, there, beyond the horizon! Where the leg of man yet did not step! Although, truthfully speaking, almost no one is capable of repeating his exploits.

Since Hamlet is unpretentious in his private life and not oriented to comfort, he is inclined to place himself into the extreme conditions. This entertains him. His extremism can take different forms: from the loner lifestyle with a minimum quantity of resources in order to test his ability to survive, to bicycling on mountains or in the Gobi desert, where instead of water it is necessary to drink camel urine (Mmmm...yummy!!!) Briefly, Hamlet is ready to venture anything, provided no one made a journey similar to it.

For the same reason - to be original and famous - Hamlet frequently involves himself in films. Among the directors and producers there are many people of his type. They are little oriented to comfort and are very mobile, and therefore at any minute together they grow prettier by company are ready to leave for the hills somewhere to the very edge of light. (Don't know, but "light" also translates to "world," which is probably more fitting.)

But there are other professions, where people of this type with this type of pleasure realize themselves. Moreover, the discussion deals not only with the actors, the singers, the artists or the poets. From them are obtained almost best PR-people and copyrighters (That is what was written.) They are also remarkable, significant teachers, because it pleases them to play the role of the leader before the children and moreover they actually be ill for them (I did not change a word, and have no idea why the machine opted here for street cred.) They manage rather well, also, the teaching work in VUZ - Institute of Higher Education, since they are allotted an innate artistic taste and it pleases him and he can influence any audience. Certainly, everybody will win only if the subject is humanitarian or if this there is geography! However, they can sometimes also teach mathematics or information theory (better in the school).

True, not all representatives of this type allow oneself the labor to finish the institute: life, love, entire peace from the early years beckon them and draw much more than dull studies. And if parents did not know how to in time bring up in small HAMLET force of will or at least a feeling of responsibility, for him it is difficult to force himself to learn for the entire five years. However, there are encountered such honest representatives of this type, who obtain even an engineering education. But, as practice shows, HAMLET will always find, where to leave from the post of engineer into such sphere, where he will be more noticeable and will be able to show off his bright, outstanding artistic talent."

I can really say almost EVERy sentence is so true that i now think socionics and the study of the minds is very predictable after all. Right down to the simple details like "I cannot get up early in bed" or my subject of interest, being musically inclined are all so true. you guys mistaken me with Fe-esfj because at times but not always i might not resemable This hard NI and i might be too expressive, but this is becuase of my year long work of buddhism meditations and mindfulness which cause many to think I am an SI. thought still I am not an SI vauler but an SI polr and I never use NE but i vaule SE trendmendously.

[borderline]

[detail]

These are clearly the best ENFj subtype descriptions out there. Regarding the Ni subtype, there is also a "version" i often witness who is more detached and cynical. Every one of them that i know happen to be involved in some way with movie production. As they grow older, they give off a vibe of people who are tired of knowing everything and who don't want to bother having to repeat things over and over. From my perspective, they seem to have an I*Tp outlook on life, without really valuing Te. They don't care about their appearance very much, as long as they look "marginal". Their agression seems to be turned inwards, like they won't lash out at people, instead simply cutting contact and openly sharing their vision of the person with other people. They won't try to influence other people's perception though, as they seem to consider it would be immoral, or that everyone should reach their own conclusions or something. The only situation where i see them externalize their anger towards a person is when someone is interfering with a project they're involved with for what they consider to be petty reasons, more specifically when someone doesn't realize his own role as a means to the end of the project (Though Ni-ENFjs as a whole are probably the most aware type in that regard, but probably giving too much importance to it according to most other people, who generally prefer to not sacrifice as much individuality in the name of a project/an idea/etc, except maybe the Se-ISTjs). Anyone else encountered one of those Ni-ENFjs?

[Ajax]

detail, on Mar 10 2009, 11:18 PM, said:

..they give off a vibe of people who are tired of knowing everything and who don't want to bother having to repeat things over and over. From my perspective, they seem to have an I*Tp outlook on life, without really valuing Te.

I am just increasingly feeling like most people just don't really see life's patterns that well and are doomed to keep repeating the same actions over and over and I do not like repeating certain things over and over myself.

I sometimes associate with IXTps and I do identify with and understand the IXTp life outlook but I am far more polite and less blunt than they are in general I think. I once read somewhere that ENFjs and ISTps are the most alike of the conflictors and I think that for at least my subtype that it is true to some extent. It is something about our mutual dislike of people trying to read us through our facial expressions or of people trying to get us to react to them emotionally in some way that they have determined we should.

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Their agression seems to be turned inwards, like they won't lash out at people, instead simply cutting contact and openly sharing their vision of the person with other people. They won't try to influence other people's perception though, as they seem to consider it would be immoral, or that everyone should reach their own conclusions or something.

My aggression is not necessarily turned inwards but my feelings are just not expressed in a reactive type of way. For example if I get the sense that someone is looking for a way to vent some pent up feelings by picking an argument with me then I might ignore them, this to me is more likely to upset them and prolong their misery than by me giving them the release they seek via an argument. However other times I am downright war-like (apparently), this is when I have the internal sense based on what is going on the outside that this is the best approach. So then I seem unpredictable and even terrifying to others despite not aiming at those particular goals.
And yes, I do think people should just be themselves and reach their own conclusions, I do not know if it is a morality issue, I do not have a sense of being a particularly moral person in any case. I think A and you think Z and that is ok to me, I think everyone should discover their own thoughts and destiny regardless of whatever. Despite identifying a lot with your observations I do not think I am an Ni subtype, I was under the impression that they are the really crazy version lol.

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Ajax, on Mar 12 2009, 03:04 AM, said:

Despite identifying a lot with your observations I do not think I am an Ni subtype, I was under the impression that they are the really crazy version lol.

They are generally much less "open" than you seem to be, maybe less prone to describing things as punctually as you do.

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I'd say I'm a Fe-ENFj fits my personality greatly! I'm only starting to get into Socionics. The subject itself is very intriguing.