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[Ajax]

Girls as an ENFj I have taken it upon myself to warn you about the murderous ways of delta men. They like to murder their wives when divorce is in prospect and they do not want to share the money so that you can remain in the lifestyle that they made you become accustomed to. So yeah, this is reason to watch your back when trying to leave them.
The following is a sample of such men that I will supply as "proof" of their kind so that I will not be accused of simply being a quadra bigot



O.J typed ESTj-Te






Scott Peterson ISTp






Now in the news Drew Peterson ESTj (not yet convicted) and possible ex wife victim.

So you see girls, It's true what I speak(as you can now see) , so beware!

[implied]

not sure on the types of these guys, but a lot of ISTps lately are striking me as daterapists heh. ST club in general is striking me as crap lately. the thing is, with Si base aren't the actions rarely supposed to be extreme? like what would drive an ISTp to murder then? just building it up for ages and ages instead of actually doing something sensible like going to counseling or taking meds or seeking suitable outlets for anger that don't involve pumping yourself full of adrenaline which in turn makes you angrier?

[implied]

Jadae, on Dec 6 2007, 12:15 AM, said:

ST is just slang for, "I need an NF programmer"

yeah, i suppose "going to counseling" implies "seeing an NF of some sort" in a really stereotypical sort of way.

[Ajax]

implied, on Dec 6 2007, 05:11 AM, said:

not sure on the types of these guys, but a lot of ISTps lately are striking me as daterapists heh. ST club in general is striking me as crap lately. the thing is, with Si base aren't the actions rarely supposed to be extreme? like what would drive an ISTp to murder then? just building it up for ages and ages instead of actually doing something sensible like going to counseling or taking meds or seeking suitable outlets for anger that don't involve pumping yourself full of adrenaline which in turn makes you angrier?

Oh, they are all delta . ISTps don't really act in extremes at least not at first but with all that crazy repressed anger they can lash out quite badly, especially when you try to take their money. Thankfully, ISTps are often too inert and lazy to bother taking any action. Just be aware to be careful if you are ever trying to get half, such an action will active them. :love:

[Ajax]

Yes and sometimes girls these murderous delta ST men have already planned your murder before you even know that they plan to divorce you. So even if the relationship seems quite ok beware anyway.

[FDG]

Only good experienced with ISTps here. I still find it very hard not to get along with them, they usually tend to be neutral towards everything until you specifically go on your way to contact them. If you demonstrate positive emotions, they very rarely don't mirror back. ESTjs are a whole different matter, though, and much harder to get along with especially whenever they have an outburst of negative emotions. I would not like to be an INFj during those moments.

[Ashton]

Lol, here's one to add. Chris Benoit, Te-ESTj. Pro wrestler who strangled wife and smothered son to death, then hung self.

[Ashton]

Jadae, on Dec 7 2007, 12:04 AM, said:

I know two ESTjs very well. I would describe them as "very angry panda that are blowhards which talk too much".

Lmao @ that synopsis of their existence.

Any of the ones I've known, for some reason end up bitterly enraged at me. I think the most recent one was some possibly schizophrenic Te-ESTj who ended up tearing apart a whole room and throwing chairs everywhere and yelling about how he was going to kill me lol. This was hilarious to me of course, though unfortunately I was out of the room when it happened.

[Ashton]

More ridiculous Delta ST men:



Dog The Bounty Hunter (Duane Chapman), -ESTj




Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph Ratzinger), -ESTj





John Roberts, -ESTj




George W. Bush, -ESTj




Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, -ESTj





Jesse Jackson, -ESTj



Donald Rumsfeld, -ISTp

[eunice]

Ashton, on Dec 9 2007, 08:22 AM, said:

More ridiculous Delta ST men:

And all of them happened to be Te subtype? LOL.

[FDG]

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

I think the guy is ISTj : )

[Ashton]

FDG, on Dec 9 2007, 03:37 AM, said:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

I think the guy is ISTj : )

No .  Also he's a walking clone of George W. Bush, in terms of appearance and body language.  Observe: http://forum.socioni...p...post&p=5602

[Ajax]

that's a lot of ridiculous Delta ST men, lol

[Ajax]

glamourama, on Dec 13 2007, 03:15 AM, said:

that's quite a list!

dubya isn't SLE?

Hell No! Not beta! Not SLE! No!No! No!

[Ajax]

glamourama, on Dec 13 2007, 03:38 AM, said:

haha I know but haven't a lot of people typed him that way? and as much as I hate to admit it I think I see it too

Yeah, it is just a whole part of the blame beta for every bad thing deal


@Eunice, yes it does appear that the Te types are the more murderous/ridiculous ones. I would find a Si type if I were you. :love:

[Mr 2012]

Si subtypes are nice. they treat you weed.

[Ajax]

Ashton, on Dec 7 2007, 11:19 AM, said:

Lmao @ that synopsis of their existence.

Any of the ones I've known, for some reason end up bitterly enraged at me. I think the most recent one was some possibly schizophrenic Te-ESTj who ended up tearing apart a whole room and throwing chairs everywhere and yelling about how he was going to kill me lol. This was hilarious to me of course, though unfortunately I was out of the room when it happened.

Lol, that is funny, didn't see it before. What do they like to threaten people or what? One suspected ESTj female threatened to do physical damage to me too only difference was while she was raging and what not about what she was going to do to me I was standing right in front of her with my hands in my pocket, calmly waiting. Nothing happened basically.

[Ajax]

Jadae, on Dec 15 2007, 03:24 AM, said:

From what I can tell, it feels as if they (ESTjs) just do not know how to let go of information they process. They harbor everything they come into contact to, which seems to build up a mass of stress/anger. This, combined with the fact that they (at least the ones I know) dont know how to say no to responsibility (or be wrong!!!), just makes for a train wreck in the making.

ISTps, on the other hand, just annoy the hell out of me. If Captain Obvious was a type, he/she/it would be an ISTp.

They need anger management classes that's all.

[Ashton]

glamourama, on Dec 12 2007, 09:15 PM, said:

that's quite a list!

dubya isn't SLE?

Nah, he's LSE.  Like Ajax said, he gets called SLE because people like to blame Beta for everthing bad in the world.  When really they should be blaming Delta lol  Well, at least the Delta j-subs.

[Ajax]

glamourama, on Dec 16 2007, 02:55 AM, said:

haha, that's funny to blame bush anyways
that's giving him WAY too much credit

he's just a fucking puppet

That is partly why he is not an ESTp

[Capitalist Pig]

Boycott statism. That's all I have to say.

[heath]

Ashton, on Dec 15 2007, 07:14 AM, said:

Nah, he's LSE.  Like Ajax said, he gets called SLE because people like to blame Beta for everthing bad in the world.  When really they should be blaming Delta lol  Well, at least the Delta j-subs.

i see a case for SLE-- he runs his office with strict hierarchy(the decider, heh), and does not reward merit, but loyalty and closeness. i think this qualifies him as a beta politicians, and doesn't even consider all of his horrible mistakes.

[Ajax]

heath, on Dec 27 2007, 10:36 AM, said:

i see a case for SLE-- he runs his office with strict hierarchy(the decider, heh), and does not reward merit, but loyalty and closeness. i think this qualifies him as a beta politicians, and doesn't even consider all of his horrible mistakes.

Heath, are you saying that ESTps do not reward merit and that ESTjs do? If so, where have you gotten that idea from? Is it not ESTjs who are normally grounded in traditions and ideas about heirachy?

Second, wouldn't an Ni valuing type like an ESTp be more likely to consider their past mistakes than an ESTj?

[Ashton]

heath, on Dec 27 2007, 04:36 AM, said:

i see a case for SLE-- he runs his office with strict hierarchy(the decider, heh), and does not reward merit, but loyalty and closeness. i think this qualifies him as a beta politicians, and doesn't even consider all of his horrible mistakes.

I don't think that's necessarily contradictory with LSE, as Deltas are hierarchical as well. They are part of the Aristocratic dichotomy after all. And IME they do like clear chains of command present within the structure of an organization they are a part of - though obviously some Delta individuals may differ on this preference.

As far as loyalty and closeness goes, I don't find that to be contradictory either. I think most everybody in any quadra plays favoritism like that. And prefers, if possible, to keep things in-house between people they know personally can be trusted.

[Ajax]

Ashton, on Dec 28 2007, 06:03 PM, said:

I don't think that's necessarily contradictory with LSE, as Deltas are hierarchical as well. They are part of the Aristocratic dichotomy after all. And IME they do like clear chains of command present within the structure of an organization they are a part of - though obviously some Delta individuals may differ on this preference.

As far as loyalty and closeness goes, I don't find that to be contradictory either. I think most everybody in any quadra plays favoritism like that. And prefers, if possible, to keep things in-house between people they know personally can be trusted.

I have struggled to explain what you just did given that everyone else seems to think that because of Se values ISTjs are into heirarchy and ESTjs are not. However, I know from experience that a lot of ESTjs are very into heirarchy and class, wealth and have status anxiety. They mostly do not like mingling with the great unwashed so to speak and I have wondered how they are ever going to be attracted to INFjs who can look so low and humble. I never really linked these tendencies of theirs' to the aristocratic dichotomy but I think that is very likely the cause of it.

[implied]

i think i'd tend to agree with those that say that ISTjs and ESTjs can both be hierarchically snobbish and class conscious whenever the situation calls for it. i think, though, that what heathie is saying about rewarding loyalty and closeness more than individual merit is sort of classically defined as beta vs delta. although that probably doesn't always play out in reality in quite a clear-cut way as much as it does in socionics papers.

[Ashton]

Ajax, on Dec 28 2007, 11:17 PM, said:

I have struggled to explain what you just did given that everyone else seems to think that because of Se values ISTjs are into heirarchy and ESTjs are not. However, I know from experience that a lot of ESTjs are very into heirarchy and class, wealth and have status anxiety. They mostly do not like mingling with the great unwashed so to speak and I have wondered how they are ever going to be attracted to INFjs who can look so low and humble. I never really linked these tendencies of theirs' to the aristocratic dichotomy but I think that is very likely the cause of it.

TBH, I think that ESTjs/Delta are more hierarchical than Beta. Here's why:

The difference is that Delta hierarchies are much more formal and explicit than Beta hierarchies. There will be very clear chains of command and designated titles. And clear procedures for delegations of roles, awarding of rank/status, and transfers of power. That has the effect of abstracting the hierarchy and making it into something that people regard as objective and independent, something that stands apart from the people that are involved in it. Your ability to move through the hierarchy and even to get into it all, is determined by the rules/guidelines laid down by the hierarchy. If you don't play by Delta's rules, you get no ticket in at all. A pretense will exist that these rules are "fair" - but in reality they are only self-serving to the interest of the Delta hierarchy. And everyone is warped and manufactured to serve it's ends.

In Beta, the rank and status within the hierarchy will often be much more implied and based on more intrinsic characteristics of the individuals involved. This can make things a bit more fluid and less rigid. Everyone has a sense of who has what power and how much of it, what they can do, and who's connected to who and how. You rise and fall within the hierarchy based on your own "personal power." Your charm, strength, insight, vision, capability, etc. Everyone gets sized up and gauged for what sort of potential they possess, what their attributes are, what they are or would be good at - ENFjs are most often the determiners of this. Reputation is a big factor too. If someone is deemed wise, everyone knows to respect that person and go to them for advice. Standard operating procedures for moving up and down the hierarchy will be largely non-existent, serving more of a ceremonial role only, more for facilitating a mythology and giving people something to believe in.

[Ajax]

implied, on Dec 30 2007, 08:13 PM, said:

i think i'd tend to agree with those that say that ISTjs and ESTjs can both be hierarchically snobbish and class conscious whenever the situation calls for it. i think, though, that what heathie is saying about rewarding loyalty and closeness more than individual merit is sort of classically defined as beta vs delta. although that probably doesn't always play out in reality in quite a clear-cut way as much as it does in socionics papers.

Classically defined by who and by which sources? I hope we aren't dealing in unsubstantiated quadra stereotypes. I understand what heath is saying but I don't agree with it because there is really no basis is theory or in my reality to do so at present but maybe he has more arguments to support his position. I think the democratic quadras are probably generally better at awarding based on merit.

[Ezra]

Ajax, on Dec 6 2007, 03:10 AM, said:

Girls as an ENFj I have taken it upon myself to warn you about the murderous ways of delta men. They like to murder their wives when divorce is in prospect and they do not want to share the money so that you can remain in the lifestyle that they made you become accustomed to. So yeah, this is reason to watch your back when trying to leave them.

I won't try to warn Delta women about Betas. The evidence would annihilate the impact of your thread in seconds.